Imuss comments?

[BMC John Phillips III]

Any thoughts?

Here are mine:

Hindsight being 20/20, obviously a poor choice of words and bad decision, on the other hand he has apologized and is being suspended for 2 weeks.

If he were a rap singer or a hip hop artist (white or black) his comments wouldn't be given a second glance. Is it because he is a controversial white talk show personality that it's drawing so much attention or is it just political correctness (the right thing to do?).

I am just curious about what others think.

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

I agree.. and what I don't understand, in todays society, the way the young kids talk, it would be very normal for those girls to be calling each other "HO's" ... but that is ok.

Wray... :cool:

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

I teach at a predominately African-American high school. The students call each other derogatory names all the time. Many of them have racial overtones. Is it OK for them to use such language? Of course not.

But, the connotations of that kind of language change depending on the origin. Two young black men using a racial slur toward each other, is MUCH different than my using that same slur toward them. The former is perceived as banter. The latter is perceived as racism.

Should it be that way? I think so. The Civil Rights Movement only occurred within the last 40 years or so. We are not so distant from "separate but equal" that we don't still feel the tension and resentment.

Imus isn't a rapper. And, he isn't a high school student. He's a middle aged white guy whose show is on regular radio. He should have exercised some historical perspective and chosen his words more carefully.

Or, he should get himself a spot on satellite radio and say whatever he wants.

[BMC John Phillips III]

Imus isn't a rapper. And, he isn't a high school student. He's a middle aged white guy whose show is on regular radio. He should have exercised some historical perspective and chosen his words more carefully.


Excellent point Dennis. He may very well be looking for that satellite radio deal.

Tell me, do you find it interesting that only Retired members have offered their opinions? Is that just timing or are AD Chiefs fearful of putting thier thoughts on a touchy subject out here for all to see?

[BMCM Deane Smith]

I've always thought he was an idiot and now his comments prove that.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

I don't think this is the first time he's said things like that either. I think it marks the beginning of the end for him. I think that sponsors will leave the show.
It has little to do with being politically correct.......just being correct. His comments were completely inappropriate.......for those of you that disagree, give me one example where it would be approriate to use it when you're referring to a group of college students that you don't personally know.......
If he was looking for controvesy he found it......... now he needs to find sponsors and listeners who are willing to stick by him.
He should also keep one eye open for the family members of those women who might want that apology repeated face to face.

[BMC John Phillips III]

I've always thought he was an idiot and now his comments prove that.

I have honestly never listened so I don't know, but I will take your word for it.

I guess having never listened was part of my curiousity, thanks!


He should also keep one eye open for the family members of those women who might want that apology repeated face to face.

That's kind of presumptuous, no?

What about Howard Stern, isn't he controversial? How do the two compare, I don't listen to either, but I have (unfortunately) been exposed to Stern.

[ETC Pat Kaschube]

I don't listen to guys like Immus, Rush or Stern because they are boring. Same crap over and over. I am really bored with this and it is ruling ESPN radio these days. Immus has been suspended that's fine. If you don't like him change the channel. As far as what verbiage we use to others? I don't care if others use deragatory terms in the course of their personnel banter. I won't talk like that and if if someone chooses to talk like that to me well it will be a short conversation. This situation hopefully will die off soon.

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

Imus and Sterns made their rep by being outrageous. Both have been fined extensively by the FCC.

Imus ... born in 1940 ... has been in NYC radio for a very long time with banishments to Cleveland. I've listed to him in the mid 70s when he came back to NYC from one such exile.

Middle age is now 67 ... damm ... where in the hell have I been.

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

Let's not forget... both are multi millionaires as well........

Wray.. :cool:

[SKC Raymond Kurtz]

Rush Limbaugh says something bad about the Eagle's QB and has to resign from ESPN. Why does Imus get to stay, although he is suspended, you know that he will be back.

Why?

Double standards.

More examples from the political arena.

Trent Lott said something about how if Strom Thurmond was elected president things would be different. The media and the squeaky clean democrats jumped all over him, calling him a racist and forcing him to resign his post as senate majority leader.

Senator Byrd used a racist slur on national TV. What happened to Byrd. Nothing, not a darned thing. He is still serving in the senate and was only forced to apologize. If a Republican had said what Byrd said he or she would have been out of the house or senate.

Pres. Bill Clinton awarded the medal of freedom to William Fulbright, referring to him as "my mentor." So what? Well, Mr. Fulbright was instrumental in trying to defeat the Civil Rights Act by leading a filibuster against it. Since Fulbright was obviously a racist, Clinton should have had to apologize. Did he? Nope.

What if President Bush awarded Thurmond the Medal of Freedom? Oh my goodness it would be front page news for weeks.

I would love to see everyone treated equally, Imus should have been fired, Rush was dumb to say what he said and should have resigned, Byrd should no longer be serving in the Senate and Clinton should have apologized.

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

Wray, Gary,

How does it feel ... now that we have a few years before we reach middle aged status? :)

[BMCS Nick Pupo]

I think beside the obvious, the racist remark. Imus' remark showed a complete lack of respect to women.
Its been said before and I agree he is an idiot along with Stern. I have no interest in listening to either of them. Only "talk radio" personality worth his weight is G. Gordon Liddy.
Do I think he should have been fired, yes. His comments run along the same lines as "The Greaseman's" a couple of years ago that cost him his job.

[BMCS Jim Madsen]

I think it is all stupid. What he said is stupid. The reaction that it is getting is stupid. The reaction of the team members and how they have been emotionally effected is stupid. Who is this jackass to effect someone emotionally? Why would elite athletes allow themselves to be effected by the words of some idiot on the radio? What is next? The ACLU lawsuit? That is what I expect to see next. How can I make a buck off this? He is a dumbass and is losing sponsorships. The radio folks are in it to make a buck and when the sponsors walk, the personality goes with them. It is called capitalism. That is why some shock jocks make it and some don't.

[ETC Brian Strattard]

I just find it funny in today's rap culture where comment's like Imus's are accepted...that his comments are such a big deal. Is it because he's a rich old white guy? Must be since there are a lot worse comments in many popular rap songs...and I'm sure there are a lot more people who are influenced by today's rap culture than by Imus. He was wrong in saying what he did but no one is being forced to listen to him. To try to remove someone from the air because you don't like their comments...isn't that censorship? Just don't listen...that's what I do with rap...

Strat sends...

[ETC Pat Kaschube]

I agree, if you don't like idiots like Stern, Rush or Immus don't listen. As much as I think Rap has nothing to do with music, in their defence there are warning labels on the CD's. At least you know what you are getting when you throw the money down on the counter.

[BMCS Mike Ellis]

Dennis,
I couldn't agree anymore with your comments in post #3. I think the guy was irresponsible, no matter what his intentions were. However, I also think that we all learn and become better humans through this type of controversy. I don't mind all the discussion about it in the media.

Mike

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

While I agree the phrase (hos) is derogatory towards women, no matter who emits it from their mouth, it is unfortuante that it's part of the lexicon of our language, but, the nappy haired comment is by no means racist.

I've seen many non-black nappy haired individuals.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Joe, you have to look at the way it was used. He wasn't making an observation or judging style....... he threw it out there as a derogatory term. He isn't defending his comments, he's apologizing for them.

As for comparing what was said to music,.......those lyrics wouldn't have made the airwaves in any genre. The people on radio are held responsible for what they say and what they play. You can play any music that you want in your own house. You can say anything you want, in your own house. Imus can say anything that he wants in his own house. He can't broadcast it into other peoples'.

[BMC John Phillips III]

those lyrics wouldn't have made the airwaves in any genre.

I am sorry, but you must not listen to a lot of radio anymore. I can give you at least three songs that get regular airplay (not satellite) that have far worse (comparitively) lyrics.

I didn't listen to this guy, but in my mind if it were a black radio personality that said it, it wouldn't have been given a second thought. Now does that make it right, absolutely not, just seems like everyone should be held to the same standard. It could have been easily dismissed as just popular terminology, not racist statements, but I can definitely see how the source would play heavily on that.

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

Joe-
I disagree. Using the word "nappy" is almost always aimed at African Americans. He used the comment to separate one group of people from another. It makes little difference that any race could have the same texture hair. Americans associate it in a very specific way.

Be honest. What do you picture when you hear or see the words "nappy haired woman?"

[BMC Clay Williams]

1. Imus obviously said a stupid thing, he obviously regrets what he said, and his employers should decide his fate, not Al and Jesse. That being said, he's not a racist he’s a moron. If every moron got fired for doing something stupid the unemployment rate would be ridiculous and we would all be on our third or fourth careers.

2. I think people should find more meaningful things to be outraged about and/or offended by.

3. If a black radio show host had referred to a group of white female college students as doll headed hoochies we would have never heard a word about it.

4. White guilt and political correctness are out of hand, and double standards are unfortunately the new accepted standard. Shameful.

5. Am I the only one who thinks the term "political correctness" sounds like something straight out of the book 1984?

6. I am honestly scared for the future if any words or phrases start to be banned or made illegal. I don't care who they offend you can't make a word illegal.

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that there are any laws banning racist remarks...or any words for that matter.

We are discussing public consensus as to what is "right" and "wrong," which is not always the same as "legal" and "illegal."

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

Dennis,

Last time I looked, nappy is synomyous with kinky, as in tight curls and not in the sexual context. It can be used by some to describe naps, napkins, diapers [the British], the head on your beer [scottish], and a rimless serving bowl. Ignorant American comes to mind when the narrow minded immediately use the contermporary. Identifying nappy hair as racist ... is plain stupid, but I should start expecting the least from some.

I've seen Irish with nappy hair. I don't immediately jump to blacks when I hear nappy hair, you might, but that's your demon ... not mine. Granted in the context that Imus used, and specifically talking about Rutgers Womens Baskeball, there is a good chance he refered to the black women [all the players are not black]. Rutgers played their ass off ... from the games that I saw live and the remaining on TV. Great defense till they met Tennessee.

The market place will determine Imus' fate, as sponsors are ducking him left and right as I type.

The two race pimps ... Jessie "Hymietown" Jackson and Al "Tawana" Sharpton will play this for all it's worth, yet they won't suffer from their inappropriate comments ... then or in the future.

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

I'll be honest... I don't listen to Imus at all.. As with most things, if you don't like it, change the channel...

He is probably loving all this publicity... Naturally he will use this 2 week suspension time to take his 2 week vacation... probably come back with higher ratings than he left with..

He, in my opinion is not worth the bandwidth..... :p

Wray... :cool:

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

Dennis,
Identifying nappy hair as racist ... is plain stupid, but I should start expecting the least from some.

I'm not quite sure how to take that. But, I'll just move on.

I doubt that most Americans share your disconnect between the term "nappy haired" and African Americans, but so be it. You make different connections.

Imus didn't.

I admit that I have racist demons. I'm a product of my times and my upbringing. But, I decided for myself a long time ago to fight them. That might even cause me to over-correct from time to time. I don't think that's the case here, though.

I don't know enough about Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson to be conversant, but the fact that you know about the "Hymietown" and "Tawana" comments illustrates that they faced some bad publicity, too. I don't see it as being a one-sided deal.

And, finally, you were much more terse in your post than usual. Why is that?

[BMCS Burt Ford]

I think if one person cant say it, no person should say it. If it is offensive out of the mouth of a white radio host(BTW i have never even heard of him until then) then we/society should find it offensive all the time no matter their race, creed or origin. You cant get rid of a racial slur if you only think it is racist from one group of people. It is either derogatory or racist, or it is not.

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

I agree that it would always be inappropriate.

[BMCS Jim Madsen]

Put this ridiculous mess into context. Would we kick someone out of the Coast Guard if they made a comment like this? Probably not. Certainly if it was a stand alone comment and not a habitual thing. We would counsel them or maybe do more to get their attention. The simple fact is you cannot be offended unless you allow yourself to be. If a comment like that has some truth to it and it hits home, then it probably would be more offensive. However, it is up to the recipient to take offense. I will say it in this thread as I have said it in others: "Consider the source". If someone has diareha of the mouth, then either change the channel or tune it out. I suspect that this Imus jerk lost a bunch of money that he had riding on the outcome of the game. Now he will probably lose a bunch more after the law suits start flying because people have to be offended whenever there is the opportunity to make a buck off it.

[AMTCM John Long]

I don't care for him nor listen to his show. I just heard MSNBC cx'd him??? He's too crochity for me and his minions suck up so bad it's nauseating.

I often tell my wife or kids they have nappy hair first thing in the morning. They usually have some level of rack-face along with it. IMO....folks need to get over they're self-induced hyper-sensitivity to something such as the description, "nappy hair". Calling women "Ho's" or Bit#hes is one thing, saying someone has nappy hair is another. There's more important things to deal with out there beside this. Move on.....:mad:

John

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

Oh, Ok. Never mind, then.

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

Dennis,

I agree my comments were more terse than usual.

I'm reminded of the CO at PA [I believe], who jumped on the racism bandwagon very quickly and disparage the town with unwarranted comments when a young non-rate complained about a racial epithet found on his windshield, only to find out it was self-induced during the investigation.

The race card is easily played and some will jump to conclusions prior to the investigation. In this case the court of public opinion will prevail.

In this country we are guranteed free speech, we are not guranteed to like the content of that free speech.

[SKC Raymond Kurtz]

1. Imus obviously said a stupid thing, he obviously regrets what he said, and his employers should decide his fate, not Al and Jesse. That being said, he's not a racist he’s a moron. If every moron got fired for doing something stupid the unemployment rate would be ridiculous and we would all be on our third or fourth careers.

2. I think people should find more meaningful things to be outraged about and/or offended by.

3. If a black radio show host had referred to a group of white female college students as doll headed hoochies we would have never heard a word about it.

4. White guilt and political correctness are out of hand, and double standards are unfortunately the new accepted standard. Shameful.

5. Am I the only one who thinks the term "political correctness" sounds like something straight out of the book 1984?

6. I am honestly scared for the future if any words or phrases start to be banned or made illegal. I don't care who they offend you can't make a word illegal.

Amen.

However, I would like to add that something could be legal but unethical. Imus' remarks are legal, (the 1st amendment guarantees his right to say stupid things), but they are unethical.

[ETCM Joseph Harold]

Who is Imuss? When is Anna Nichole going to do her next interview?

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

Joe-
The "race card" is easily played because racism is still a problem.

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

Dennis,

How many prosecutions have there been because of "racism"? We know it's illegal, and many times the "race card" is played when no racism exists.

If there is a racism charge, we have laws to deal with that.

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

Murder is illegal. Armed robbery is illegal. Racial discrimiation under specific circumstances is illegal.

Racism in itself is not illegal. You could declare yourself a racist, give specific examples of how that's manifested (ie using racial slurs, prohibiting your child from attending a mixed race church, etc..) and not be charged with a crime.

Racism is an attitude and world view. It's something that we have chosen not to legislate (nor should we).

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

Joe,

Imuss ... is Don Imus, who was a radio personality at WNBC, NY.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/i/don_imus/index.html?inline=nyt-per

I see NBC had time to soak some ratings out of Imus by having him appear on their "Today" show before letting him go.

[ETCM Joseph Harold]

Joe,

Imuss ... is Don Imus, who was a radio personality at WNBC, NY.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/i/don_imus/index.html?inline=nyt-per

I see NBC had time to soak some ratings out of Imus by having him appear on their "Today" show before letting him go.

Joe... Quick, duck so my joke flying over your head doesn't hurt you. I was using my own unusal way to say I really don't care about this tabloid crap. For days people were talking about Imus dissing a bball team. I don't give a flying F###. Same goes with Anna and her baby. Don't care, don't want to know who the father is... My life will go on. This crap is always blown so out of proportion it no longer resembles the facts that started it.

Take care,

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

If ya don't like the channel, change it....:p

Wray... :cool:

[ETC Brian Strattard]

The problem is now when I change the channel...it's on every channel!!!:eek:

Oh well...time to pick up a paper...DAMN...there too...time for a nap...

Strat sends...

[PACS Steve Carleton]

If he would have said something disparaging about a white basketball team, would we even have this discussion? I doubt it.

As a matter of fact, people were mad at him several years ago when he made his remarks at the White House Press Correspondant's Dinner when he made the "Go Baby" comments about President Clinton in front of him. The people who were angry were the Clinton's, they demanded an apology and Imus told them no. Talk about the swinging of a pendulem.

How about all the people (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and others) who went down to protest the Duke Men's Lacrosse Team? Are they going to appear on major radio/tv shows to say, sorry, I didn't have the whole story and was quick to make public statements without all of the facts?

Again, I doubt it!

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

I am sorry, but you must not listen to a lot of radio anymore. I can give you at least three songs that get regular airplay (not satellite) that have far worse (comparitively) lyrics.

John....no you can't. He was referring to actual people. He actually could be sued for libel or deframation of character. The lyrics that you keep going back to are talking about ficticous people. If the people in those songs were real, the radio stations wouldn't play them,.......because they would open themselves up to the same legal actions. But I'll play along with you John........give me one of the "comparitive" songs..........just one.

Those sponsors that already left, rode the publicy train as long as they safely could. Then they made their moral statements and cut free.

I think if someone in a position of authority in the Coast Guard made similar statements, their career would over. They would need some key supporters willing to risk their own careers to stand by them and their statements.

Radio is in the business of making money. They will air anything that has the potential to make more money than it costs them. If Imus can keep enough sponsors for his show,....he'll be back. He doesn't even need listeners..... only sponsors for the show.

And John, I'll be waiting for that song title......... it shouldn't take you long, just type the shortest title of the three......

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

How about all the people (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and others) who went down to protest the Duke Men's Lacrosse Team? Are they going to appear on major radio/tv shows to say, sorry, I didn't have the whole story and was quick to make public statements without all of the facts?

Don't hold your breath Steve. Besides, they will be quick to point out the Duke team wasn't found innocent, there wasn't enough evidence to move forward. [nice spin eh ... ]

The people should recall that DA ... since he failed on his election promise to "prosecute" what he proclaimed was a crime. His pandering for votes was so thinly veiled I'm surprise people fell for it.

You can add the Duke incident to the list of things that those two race pimps stated and were not held accountable for, although Jesse may have been held accountable for "Hymietown" because he didn't gardner enough votes to win the NY presidential primary.

Racism is big business ... and business is good. I don't know who first said that but it seems accurate.

[BMCS Jim Madsen]

Joe, the term "innocent" was used by the AG that looked into the case. That, in my opinion is much different than "not guilty", or "not enough evidence to charge".
Anything that will get some free "face time" in the media is big business.
I would venture to guess that those Imus sponsors that pulled out will be back within a month. Just let the dust settle and see what his ratings are. It is like throwing a rock into a school of fish. They all swim away but come right back.
Stu, I have never thought of a pundant as a person of authority. Just someone that passes their opinion and getting paid for it.

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

Jim,

I wasn't thinking of the AG when I made that statement as my mind was attuned to the Jackson/Sharpton team.

I am glad the AG used the term "innocent", but I think he still should be recalled.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Well, in addition to finding sponsors....now he needs to find a venue....CBS just fired/canceled him. I guess the bottom line wasn't looking good for future dividends.

Joe, your other battle is going to continue until the people that sponsor them, see them for what they are, and quit sending them money. They're also two very wealthy men who get paid alot to speak to the public.

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

Stuart,

Very true. Those other two will remain powerful as long as people "contribute" to them ... very much akin to the first situation ...

They will never be held accountable for their incorrect assessments.

[ETC John D Zidek]

As far as I'm concerned the use of those types of comments are unacceptable regardless of the enviroment. I dont walk around calling my friends Crackers or Honkies and don't want to hear Mexcians or Blacks calling each other ...... whatever. You may say its the culture or society all I can say is "PULL UP YOUR DAMN PANTS!!"

What is with these kids today????? LOL

[SKC Raymond Kurtz]

How about all the people (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and others) who went down to protest the Duke Men's Lacrosse Team? Are they going to appear on major radio/tv shows to say, sorry, I didn't have the whole story and was quick to make public statements without all of the facts?

I'm still waiting for Al to apologize for the Tawana Brawley incident. I'll see that when pigs fly or hell freezes over.

[SKC Raymond Kurtz]

In case you are wondering who Tawana Brawley is, Wikepedia has some good info.

Also, Outrage: The Story Behind the Tawana Brawley Hoax (Hardcover)
by Robert D. Macfadden is a good read on the subject.

[BMCS Jim Lamson (Ret)]

None of what I say can mitigate the spoken words, and I do not condone them for even a moment. I can only listen to his show for a little while myself. On the other hand, he has made fun of everybody since the 70's, no holds barred. He has also apologized profusely for what he said.

Let's also remember all the good Imus has done for veterans. He visits the war wounded. He interviews members of congress and keeps the heat up on the health care issues of veterans. He was instrumental in the recent increase you all saw in the SGLI ... He brings troubles like recently observed at Walter Reed Army Hospital to national attention.

Bottom line - I think an overall good guy said a bad thing and is remorseful for it. Should MSNBC have dropped him? No. Should he be fired? No, But he was, you can read about it here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18072804/.

But hey, making lemonade from lemons, his annual radiothon is on this week, today "the Radiothon had raised more than $1.3 million Thursday before Imus learned that he lost his job .... The event benefited Tomorrows Children’s Fund, the CJ Foundation for SIDS and the Imus Ranch."

He's not all bad.

--Jim
Life is good :cool:
My first post at cgchiefs

[PACS Steve Carleton]

I think what really irritates me about this entire situation is the blatant double standard -- I'm not talking about the rappers being allowed to say whatever they want -- I'm talking about people in charge at CBS Radio and NBC, and other entertainment outlets.

The president of CBS Radio made reference to the entertainment industry needs to set anew standard and not allow these types of remarks to be made.

Would that be the same President of CBS Radio and the entertainment industry that allows music with suggestive lyrics, television shows with veiled reference to god knows what who makes millions every year with people tlike Howard Stern, Opie and Anthony, and oh yes, Imus? -- Yep!

Would that be the same CBS that allowed the wardrobe malfunction and the silouette of Prince during this years Super Bowl half time show? Would this be the same NBC that puts televison shows depicting very graphic sexual inuendo -- Yep!

If the entertainment industry were to start policing itself in the manner which some have suggested during this past week, there wouldn't be a damn thing on radio, televison, the internet hell, we might even start banning books and burning people at the stake, oh wait we already did that.

In one way or another, everything is offensive to everybody.

I think, I'll shut off the electronic media and start reading the stack of banned books on my bookshelves at home.

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

I think what really irritates me about this entire situation is the blatant double standard -- I'm not talking about the rappers being allowed to say whatever they want -- I'm talking about people in charge at CBS Radio and NBC, and other entertainment outlets.

BINGO! --> to the first part of your statement (underlined).... I AM talking about the rappers, etc....

But, let's remember, we are guaranteed "Freedom of Speach" by the US Constitution.... of course that doesn't mean we have to like what we hear,
Nothing else needs to be said.....

Wray... :cool:

[SKC Raymond Kurtz]

Another take on the issue. Given the history of the Clinton's and how they go after their enemies, I find entirely plausible that this could happen.

The Black Hand of Hillary Clinton Hangs Don Imus
http://www.peterfpaul.com/2007/04/12/the-black-hand-of-hillary-clinton-hangs-don-imus/

Speaking truth to power through humor has fueled Don Imus’ broadcasting career for three decades. His audience has been built on unbridled political commentary and the humor that comes from political incorrectness, the political and social “polish jokes” of the evolving pop culture.

In the past, when he tore the envelope of acceptable “racial and religious” humor in a particularly brutal way, he was chastised and allowed to continue unabated broadcasting his stream of consciousness iconoclastic view of the world after a simple apology.

But Imus was ill prepared for the iron fist of Hillary Clinton that struck a knock out blow to his future as a media personality this week. His humorously pathetic efforts to emulate a Hip Hop “artist” in his choice of phraseology about a black girl’s basketball team provided the fuel that Hillary’s media goon squad could use to finally burn Imus at the stake in the name of racial respect. Hillary was poised to pounce on Imus’ mainstay of racially lame humor when it was politically convenient for her to do so.

On April 5, Imus gave Hillary’s race baiters the necessary race card to remove the only media gadfly that dared to call a spade a spade when it came to Hillary Clinton’s malevolent and above the law political career and ambitions.

The timing of the Hillary directed racial call to arms to lynch Imus is painfully obvious. As Hillary’s presidential ambitions are threatened by an increasingly popular black political opponent, and as New York based Imus has become the lone media voice in the wilderness that doggedly exposes the would be Empress of the World’s lack of any socially redeeming “political clothes”, the Senator that Imus refers to as “Satan” has demonstrated what happens to any opponent that underestimates her diabolical power.

The moment that Donald Trump’s on air plea to Imus to allow Hillary to come on Imus’ show and be interviewed was rejected soundly with Imus’ retort that Hillary was Satan incarnate and could never be on his show, Imus sealed his fate. Almost instantaneously, the “nappy headed ho” quote was recalled from the previous day by the always indignant defender of all things Black, Reverend Al, who came forward to incite the willing media hordes and set the bonfire that guaranteed Imus’ immolation.


With the Clintonian irony that is a trademark of the hypocrisy that the Clintons wield as a sword, Senator “F*****g Jew Bastard” (below) Clinton directed Reverend “Tawana Brawley” Sharpton (below) and Reverend “Hymie from Hymietown” Jackson, to go forth before her hordes of media sycophants and rise up in all of their rhetorical indignation to lead the mob of Hillary supporters, apologists and media toadies in a chorus demanding Imus’ immediate removal from the public air waves.

Imus is now feeling the notorious wrath of the most vindictive and meanspirited political figure since Richard Nixon, as he comes face to face with the unprecedented power of Senator and would be first American Empress, Hillary Clinton. Imus has overnight been reduced from influential media personality to blathering untouchable victim.

Once again Hillary has shown that anyone in the media who tangles with her will be destroyed- offering the highest profile media victim to date as an example to everyone in the media, who might consider exposing or commenting on her pervasive corruption, that they will be completely vanquished and destroyed.

It should be crystal clear that what is happening to Don Imus today is illustrative of what will happen to anyone who dares criticize or expose Hillary Clinton for the unprincipled and amoral megalomaniac that she is, especially after she usurps the absolute power of a Hillary Clinton White House should the American people’s indifference enable her to do so.

“State of a Union: Inside the Complex Marriage of Bill and Hillary Clinton,” a book by reporter Jerry Oppenheimer

In his book, Oppenheimer alleges that Hillary Rodham — then Bill Clinton’s girlfriend — called adviser Paul Fray a “Jew bastard” to his face on election night. Bill Clinton lost the race for Arkansas’ 3rd Congressional District to incumbent Rep. John Paul Hammerschmidt by 6,000 votes out of 190,000 cast.
Oppenheimer stood by his account on Sunday. “Three witnesses have now publicly acknowledged that she said it,” Oppenheimer said.

The three people identified by Oppenheimer told CNN that Rodham uttered the slur.

The witnesses, Oppenheimer said, are 57-year-old Fray, the Arkansas native and career political operative who led Bill Clinton’s unsuccessful 1974 race; his wife, Mary Lee Fray, who also worked on the campaign; and Neill McDonald, another former campaign worker.

Paul Fray told CNN that Rodham had indeed uttered the slur. “You’ve got to understand, it was the heat of the moment. We knew we had lost. It was a case of people lashing out at one another, and it just got to that point,” he said.

Asked his immediate reaction, he said, “I was a little defensive about it. I looked to the floor, thinking, ‘How do I respond?’ I didn’t mind being called an SOB to my face, but when it comes to attacking my culture, that’s a whole ‘nother ballgame.”

Fray said Bill Clinton said nothing during that part of the argument.
Fray said that, although he is Southern Baptist, “my lineage is Jewish.” He said his great-grandfather was Jewish and that he, as a result, is one-eighth Jewish. Fray said he told Bill Clinton about his heritage prior to the night of the alleged slur.
‘We had some exchanges …’

Fray worked with Bill Clinton 26 years ago in Arkansas

“We used to have a fight a day,” Fray said about his 1974 relationship with Rodham. “We had some exchanges that were profanity-laced for days on end.”

Fray said the election-night argument centered on Rodham’s claim that Fray had not taken full advantage of a list of key political players in the state.
McDonald, then a 23-year-old college senior who was coordinating campaign volunteers at the University of Arkansas, told CNN the Frays entered a room with Clinton and Rodham to discuss what had gone wrong.

Mary Lee Fray instructed McDonald to close the door and not let anyone in, McDonald said. The discussion, which lasted about an hour, “started off low-key, but then the yelling escalated, passing out blame between the four in the room as to who did what when and who cost us the election,” McDonald said.

McDonald said Rodham used the anti-Semitic slur to refer to Fray. “I don’t know what provoked it or what,” McDonald said. “I just remember that one little comment.”

McDonald said Rodham made the comment only once and that he never heard her say anything like that before or since. He added he bears no ill will toward the Clintons.

Mary Lee Fray told CNN her husband’s account of the alleged incident was accurate. After the election, she said, “the friendship was over.”

In her news conference Sunday, Hillary Clinton said she had no recollection of the meeting. She said she was responding to the charges because they had no merit.

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

Hillary Clinton said she had no recollection of the meeting.

Spoken like a true political animal. :)

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

How do we go from discussing factual accounts of what is happening to Imus, to posting a third rate "whistle blower" account of Hillary Clinton? What's next? Conspiracy theories? Are we going to turn this into the Unvarnished Enquirer?

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

I agree... what ever was said & done in the past is history... that doesn't mean it didn't happened, but it would best be discussed on another thread..

Good luck correcting history... you can't undo the past.. right or wrong.. it's still history...

Wray... :cool:

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Dennis, I think that it's still relavent to the topic and isn't a conspiracy theory....it's another Scoobie Doo Mystery solved....

Epilogy

Local Sheriff- " So I still don't understand who destroyed Imus."
Fred (removing the rubber mask from a shadowy figure) "That's easy"
All- "Ole Lady Clinton"
Thelma explains- " Ms. Clinton realized that Imus was the last bastion of truth left on the airwaves, so she set out to destroy him. She waited for him to say something remotely controversial, then she mobilized her zombie army to force his sponsors to pull out. Without his sponsors, the networks canceled his shows and she was able to continue her bid towards the presidency unchecked."
Hillary-" Yeah, and I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids."
Scoobie Doo- "Scoobie Doobie Doooooooo......"

Ray.......? If she really does have the blackhand, or finger of death........ shouldn't the reporter who said that be next on the list? And if she was actually able to orchestrate this whole thing from behind the scenes practically undected, so quickly, wouldn't that show her critics that she was more than able to run a governement?

[SKC Raymond Kurtz]

Ray.......? If she really does have the blackhand, or finger of death........ shouldn't the reporter who said that be next on the list? And if she was actually able to orchestrate this whole thing from behind the scenes practically undected, so quickly, wouldn't that show her critics that she was more than able to run a governement?

Master Chief, during the 2004 presidential election, when there were rumors floating around that Hillary could be the running mate of Kerry, Dick Morris appeared on Hannity and Colmes to talk about this issue. Morris said that if Kerry picked Hillary to be his VP, and Morris was an insurance agent, he would not sell Kerry any life insurance. Hillary is interested in only one thing. POWER! She will do anything to either hold on to it or to get it in the first place. She is willing to destroy anyone to get what she wants. What I want to know is if she is somehow elected, will there be two Queens, (Pelosi and Hillary) and how will that work?

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

Considering that the presidential elections are coming up, these comments might make some interesting discussions. Perhaps we should move things to a new Thread? And, could we do it intelligently without accusing the candidates of being potential murders and despots? Is that possible?

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Ray, if I ever put together a softball team, I'll keep you in mind for left field. You didn't actually answer the question about the reporter.... and can I assume that Dick Morris' career came to an untimely end after he made that comment?

[BMC John Phillips III]

Considering that the presidential elections are coming up, these comments might make some interesting discussions. Perhaps we should move things to a new Thread? And, could we do it intelligently without accusing the candidates of being potential murders and despots? Is that possible?

I suppose we could but then we'd have to leave Hilary and Bill out of the discussion.


Master Chief, I will provide you with one song, Eminem - Without Me. This song was HUGE!!! and got tons of Airplay - (some of it was bleeped out but most not)

If you read the lyrics you will find personal attacks on specific people and you will also find discriminatory comments that no one seemed to have a problem with. Maybe people expect less from a white rapper than they do a white radio host? Oh and it's no conspiracy that I used a white rapper as an example, it was just the first song that came to mind.

Here's a link to the lyrics to save you some time : http://www.lyricsbase.com/e/eminem/without-me.html

oh and I would gladly pitch and bat clean up on Ray's team ;)

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

John if that's your example of a comparative song, you play deeper left field than Ray. If you think that no one had problems with Eminem's lyrics, you need to re-read the link that you sent. The song itself is about the people who had problems with what he says. You should also define "some" and "most". What was beeped out was the offensive parts. What was left was the melody.