Selling Leave.

[DCCS Keith Wilbee]

I asked recently about this. Since I am on an indefinite enlistment and am not required to reenlist any longer. I can no longer sell leave, well at least not untill I retire or get discharged.

That was a bummer. Seems I can't manage to ever take it all, even though I am transferred quite frequently.

[BMCS Jim Madsen]

That was one of those things that snuck up on alot of people when the indefinite re-enlistment thing started. Used to be that many folks would wait until one of their later re-enlistments to sell leave, so they could do it at a higher pay grade. This is not an option anymore with the indefinite re-enlistment. Something to remind your folks when filling out that career intentions worksheet. They may want to thing about that.

[PAC Darrell Wilson (Ret)]

It bit me in the ass also! I bit back though. Put in for leave, even if you know it will get denied. Keep the documentation for proof that you tried to take leave. When I went on terminal, I turned in 139 days of leave that had been collected. I didnt end up losing any. My retirement date was Jan.1 but I went on terminal Aug. 14. You just have to use the system to your advantage.

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

It was nice when you could sell 60 days per enlistment... but, that was old Guard.. ...

Wray... :cool:

[YNCM Doug Squires (Ret)]

60 days per enlistment - old guard! NOT.... that was VERY, VERY old guard.

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

60 days per enlistment - old guard! NOT.... that was VERY, VERY old guard.

Hey, we could do that during my time or at least the earlier portion of my time ... what exactly are you trying to say here? :)

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

Joe, Doug is just getting old and beginning to forget things... or else he is younger than I gave him credit for... ;)

I'm guessing it went out around 1978 or so...

Wray... :cool:

[YNCM Doug Squires (Ret)]

Wray - Joe:

You both are two days older than dirt and a day older than water.

I believe (if memory serves me) that change to 60 days in a career went out in September of 1984.

(I read about it in the history book) :p

[FSC Jayare Parker (Ret)]

I've been asking about that for about the last 3 to 4 years now. I guess I just never asked the right person because this is still happening.
If you can only sell 60 in your career and we are on an indefinate enlistment and want or need to sell them then why can't we sell them at any time? I never seem to be able to take a full 30 days a year also and end up loosing 1-5 days a year because of it. I can't remember how many times I have had them charge me for leave on the Saturday & Sunday before and after a Monday-Friday leave period just so I could burn some extra days that I was going to be off anyways. Take 5 days off to get charged for 9 days.:mad:
Why can't we just keep aquiring that leave? I mean we did earn them doing the kings buisness and you know we will use them all up upon retiring anyways.

Jayare

[AMTCM John Long]

I'm at the la casa right now. Does anyone know if this is CG policy or Fed policy? If it's CG, this would be a great thing to get changed. I didn't know about it either till recently.:mad:

[BMCS Jim Madsen]

Jayare, you should be charged for at least two of those days. You cannot take liberty - leave - liberty. You can only have liberty on one side or the other of leave. At least that was the policy the last time I looked it up. Has there been a change?

[ETCM Joseph Harold]

All I can say is use your leave days. Everyone should be able to take leave unless they are deployed to a war zone.

A day here or there won't make the station fall to ruin. I read somewhere that people need the down time. Otherwise you are just driving yourself to an early grave. No one is so important or vital that they can't take some time off.

I do have 60 in reserve, but I rarely lose any come October. Yes, I drive a desk, but I still think each of you should be taking your 30 days.

I love my time off and would never think of selling my leave anyway. I know I have said this before, but it still applies to me.

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

You cannot take liberty - leave - liberty. At least that was the policy the last time I looked it up. Has there been a change?

I believe CIM 1000.6 (series) states leave-liberty-leave. You can't take libo inbetween leave, thereby "saving" two days of leave.

With an open gangway policy, should anyone be upset if they "lost" leave? I don't think so. Leave is for more than one-day absense. I would never take a one-day leave. I think I took more liberty over 22 years than the leave I lost when I retired, and still sold back 60 days.

[ETCM Joseph Harold]

Joe is correct. It is leave-liberty-leave. You can take a full week off and get the weekends on both sides, but you can't take lets say Thurs and Fri Leave, then libo for Sat and Sun then Leave Mon.

[AMTCM John Long]

Joe H.,

The strategy under the old system was to sell 60 days 2-4 years prior to retiring, save up another 60+ and use that for terminal leave. That way the member gets the max usage out of the earned leave. The new policy makes that near impossible to do now. I don't know if that was intentional as a cost saver or it was an unitentional by-product of the new policy.

John

[ETCM Joseph Harold]

So that would mean not taking any leave for the last two years. Not me. No thanks. I like my leave. You know how HQ can get to you. In fact it is time to put in leave for this Friday. It would usually be a telecommute day, but I don't even want to do that.

Happy Easter.

[AMTCM John Long]

So that would mean not taking any leave for the last two years. Not me. No thanks. I like my leave. You know how HQ can get to you. In fact it is time to put in leave for this Friday. It would usually be a telecommute day, but I don't even want to do that.

Happy Easter.

I didn't say anything about being in HQ and doing that.:eek::eek: lol

I agree with you a 100%. The place to do that would have been enroute PCS to your ideal twighlight tour.

What's telecommute???:D (not an option for us working folks...lol)

Happy Easter to you too Joe!!

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

The new policy makes that near impossible to do now. I don't know if that was intentional as a cost saver or it was an unitentional by-product of the new policy.

That may have been the intent way back when, but as I recall, they stopped selling leave at re-enlistments way before my second re-enlistment ... which would have been pre-1982. The rule came out back then that you could sell a maximum of 60 days upon discharge or retirement.

Joe H. Why doesn't the palace have enviromental leave? We give enviormental leave for those on restricted stations. :)

[AMTCM John Long]

Joe H. Why doesn't the palace have enviromental leave? We give enviormental leave for those on restricted stations. :)

Joe,

I think when I had to go on permanent enlistment a few year back (2001-2ish???), I was asked if I was going to sell any leave back. I said no.:mad:

EML...that's a good one....you funny man!!:D

I'd think if you did it for one you'd have to do it for all. I'd guess the civies would get upset if the actives got EML and they didn't get some version of it for working at the same "restricted station". That's a guess only. Could be an apples/oranges thing???

John

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

John,

I'm sure AFGE would be upset if the military was offered something their membership wasn't.

At units with a large contingency of AFGE members, the POD is somewhat adjusted to meet the AFGE contract.

I did forty hours [part I] of the eighty hour two part course titled "Civilian Personnel Proceedures for Supervisors". I could have attended the second part ... dealing with labor negotiations, but I refused because I didn't have the pre-requisite year between sessions.

It certainly was an interesting course.

[AMTCM John Long]

John,
I did forty hours [part I] of the eighty hour two part course titled "Civilian Personnel Proceedures for Supervisors". I could have attended the second part ... dealing with labor negotiations, but I refused because I didn't have the pre-requisite year between sessions.

It certainly was an interesting course.

I did the 40 hour version also at ISC Miami back in 1998. The USDA put on the class. We touched on basic labor issues, disputes, grievences, etc. Great class for anyone who supervises civilian types.

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

Glad to see that course is still around. The CG had their own back when I went through it.

Covered everything you said plus discipline ... withholding step increases, the equivalent to our CG-3307's, et al.

[MKCM Brett Ayer]

I'm at the la casa right now. Does anyone know if this is CG policy or Fed policy? If it's CG, this would be a great thing to get changed. I didn't know about it either till recently.:mad:

The 60 day limit is Federal Law, 37 USC 509. It states that you can only sell leave on reenlistment. It does not control when someone reenlists.

The indefinite enlistment policy is Coast Guard. It is authorized in the 1997 Defense Authorization Act.

The Coast Guard can reenlist a member at any time it wishes, and allow that member to sell any amount leave up to the 60 day max.

What this comes down to is that it appears the only thing stopping members from selling leave is Coast Guard Policy.

Brett.