On the spot recognition program

[OSC Delain Tate]

This last couple of months, the Chief's Mess here at COMMSTA have started a on the spot recognition program, where if a member has done something noteworthy, or gone above and beyond what is normally required in their duties, they would be presented by the Chief's Mess with one of 3 coins.

We have a bronze, silver, and gold, on one side is the COMMSTA logo, and on the other side is the 3 anchors with the saying "From the Chief". First time recipients would receive a bronze, and then if awarded again, they would get the silver, then gold. I was wondering if any other unit out there is doing anything similar?

-Delain Tate

[SKC Ronald Brumble]

Thats a greate Idea Delain! We don't currently have anything like that here at the ELC. But they have started a coin for an "Informal Recognition Program"

Post a pick of your coins

[PAC Paul Roszkowski]

I found some Public Affairs Specialist coins that I just bought for my crew as recognition for a job well done for the past few months.

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

Sorry guys, I just don't buy it....

On a previous thread we were discussing treating adults as adults and allowing alcohol at events...

When I was in 2nd grade I think I would get little gold stars on my assignments when I did a good job.. here, you hand out a coin..

Is it really necessary, for a military man to get a coin if he does a good job at something? Isn't that what is expected of all??

In my opinion it was ok for the MCPO-CG to hand them out as a souvenir, but, like most things in the Coast Guard, this one has gone overboard..

Wray... :cool:

[MSTC SJ Natale]

I got a coin once as a non-rate...it meant ALOT.

I was the CGC Rush, the ship had recently been commisioned and it was our first patrol. I was on lookout a day out of HONO and I spotted a pod of whales a few thousand yards out. It wasnt something we normally reported unless we were gonna hit them or something and in this case they were at about 050 relative on approximately the same course as us. But I figured it was a nice day, visibility was good, so maybe the bridge watch would want to check them out.

I banged on the sound tube and when i got the reply I reported them. A minute or so later I heard a bang on the voice tube and answered it. The OOD told me that the Capt wanted to see me in his stateroom after watch to talk to me about my report.

I was pretty apprehensive about going down there.

I went to his stateroom and he said he was on the bridge when I reported the whales. I kinda stumbled with my words but I think I apologized or something. He said no need. I was thinking.... OK then, what am I doing here?

He went on and told me that during the first patrol of the whaling season the Captain of the whaling ships would stick a gold coin on the mast and the first person to sight a whale could climb up and get it. Said it would maintain a sharp lookoout.

He then pulled out a CG coin and gave it to me and said that I was the first to report a whale on his newly commisioned ship.

Pretty SWEET.

RIP Capt. Ross Bell (ret). Great person, Great Coastie IMHO.

[BMC John Phillips III]

He went on and told me that during the first patrol of the whaling season the Captain of the whaling ships would stick a gold coin on the mast and the first person to sight a whale could climb up and get it. Said it would maintain a sharp lookoout.

He then pulled out a CG coin and gave it to me and said that I was the first to report a whale on his newly commisioned ship.



I have to say I am with Wray on this one, I think we have become a little touchy feely sometimes when it comes to getting people to do their jobs (or simply to do the right thing). Don't get me wrong I think great performance and a job well done should be recognized, but I tend to do that thru marks and awards, SOQ type things.

SJ, the scenerio you presented makes sense because there is meaning and tradition behind why the CO gave you the coin (and it would mean a lot to me too, so you should be proud).

[BMCS R. Scott Pugh]

Being the relatively frugal guy that I am, I am curious about where the money for these coins if coming from.

I am sure the coins are not going to 'break the bank', but in a day where we have to give up our allowance to pay for Deepwater and a few other "taxes", what are you not buying that allows you to pay for the coins.

Scott

[MSTC SJ Natale]

Being the relatively frugal guy that I am, I am curious about where the money for these coins if coming from.

I am sure the coins are not going to 'break the bank', but in a day where we have to give up our allowance to pay for Deepwater and a few other "taxes", what are you not buying that allows you to pay for the coins.

Scott

Mods for my Cobra is what I am not buying ........ coins are bought out of pocket from the Chiefs Mess. I have been giving them out as departing gifts for good performers.

[MKC Craig Thorngren (Ret)]

Sorry guys, I just don't buy it....

...Is it really necessary, for a military man to get a coin if he does a good job at something? Isn't that what is expected of all??

Wray... :cool:

Doing a "good Job" won't even get you considered for a coin here. What I've given them out for was when people came up with an innovative solution to a problem. As an example, this past summer we had 11 vets come out here that fought on this island during WWII. There is a war Memorial about 11 miles from the station. We knew they wanted to visit the site to pay their respects, but one of the bridges getting to the site had collapsed. Knowing that this would be heartbreaking for them, we tried and failed to repair the bridge. We had just watched a documentary on the Aleutian battles and one of the GI's mentioned that the only way they could move vehicles around the tundra was to drive in the river beds. My MK1 noticed a dry riverbed not far from the river and downed bridge and recommended that we use some of the dry river rock to create a road through the tundra, to a shallow point in the river that our trucks could cross, then create a ramp on the opposite side of the river that allowed us to get back up onto the road. We use the road to this day for multiple uses, from supporting the USAF and it's mission here, to morale snow boarding/skiing trips. We've even named the road "Attu Vetrans Memorial Highway". Though the first sign didn't last long, this spring we'll have one made out of old growth California Red Wood that'll last for quite some time. The Vets were extremely greatful to say the least. For coming up with a unique solution to a problem, implementing it from start to finish on his own time and for looking out for the welfare of those who sacraficed so much I felt he deserved one of our coins.
I'm not saying that some aren't handed out like candy, they are. I believe that we have to make the issuing of the coin have some meaning, otherwise it'll just be some more junk up for sale on e-bay.

Craig

[BMC Ken Gouge]

Is it really necessary, for a military man to get a coin if he does a good job at something? Isn't that what is expected of all??


Wray, I don't think that is the point. I think that it should be done, if for no other reason than to show that the mess recognizes what the Command sometimes does not. I think that it should come as a surprise to the person receiving the coin, and that it should not be an everyday occurence.

I don't think it should be there as a goal for some non-rate, trying to get noticed so they get a coin. I think the Gold, Silver, Bronze thing may be over doing it a bit but that's the decision of the mess.

We also have other recognition on board, such as the "eagle eye" award. When a lookout is the first to spot a target of interest (ie. no heads up from the OOD etc.) they receive a humorously worded certificate for their award. The award comes from the Captain at quarters, and also includes an IOU for a day of special liberty.

Small tokens like this can do wonders for morale, and you can bet the day of liberty keeps the lookouts on their toes.

[GMCM Bill Wells (Ret)]

I got three of these "coins" in one day for attending a memorial service at Arlington. They came from Vince Patton, Loy and Mineta. Just for being an old fat guy who happened to be in Washington that day.

I also have one from Gallatin. I've put them in protective cases and stashed them with my Coast Guard Recruiting Mardi Gras Dubloons at New Orleans.

Who knows? Perhaps they'll wind up on ebay one day.

If someone does something that merits special attention is this not why there is a recognition system? I believe there is a whole instruction that addresses this.

Otherwise, I see no harm in the judicious use of the coins along with a hearty pat on the back.

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

As someone else pointed out... Who pays for these coins? I'm sure they are not cheap... Does it come out of the individuals account, or does the Coast Guard pay for it??? If the CG does, why should they? Do they now purchase your "business cards"? Where does it end? or does it.....

Wray... :cool:

[BMCS Dave Considine]

The on the spot recognition program is a proven leadership practice that has SIGNIFICANT results for todays youth. Like it or not, the younger generation is not like mine, or the ones prior. You can take some very eye opening courses on the generational differences at the leadership academies offered in the CG now, like the CPOA. Today is the Nintendo generation. They need instant gratification. Do I like it or agree? NO. BUt it is reality. I deal with it everyday.

Here's a link to different units program descriptions.

ULDP On the Spot Recognition Program[/]ULDP On the spot Recognition Program Descriptions (http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-w/g-wt/g-wtl/field/field16.htm)

I have coins at my unit, they work great. The local Auxiliary paid for the die fee, morale buys a number of coins that we sell to retirees, former crewmembers, and anyone interested. We have sold over 100 in uner a year. The unit does buy a certain number with AFC-30 funds. You must have an instruction that details what the coins are awarded for, and a strcit log kept of everyone who is given one.

This describes the programs benefit, "Instantaneous recognition of achievement is an outstanding leadership tool that reinforces high performance and aids in retention of quality personnel."

Most units and Flag Officers use the coins. Most people in the Coast Guard today collect them.

[MKC Craig Thorngren (Ret)]

"...If the CG does, why should they? Do they now purchase your "business cards"? Where does it end? or does it.....

Wray... :cool:

Wray,
It depends on the unit your at. Some of them are bought by the Chief's Mess (CGC Mellon), some are bought by the unit with unit funds (MSST 91101) and some are bought by morale (LORSTA Attu). Those are the three units that I've dealt with coins at. There are pro and cons to each one. On the Mellon, the Chief's Mess had complete control over who received one, it was voted on by the Mess. This worked well until one particular CO "demanded" that he be allowed to give one to an individual. The Mess disapproved of the coin being given to the individual for what he had done (not because the CO wanted to award it). To say there was a little tension between the CO and the Chief's Mess would be an understatement. When bought with unit funds, there was a lot of paperwork involved. You had to keep track of who was issued one, you needed a unit instruction covering what they would be issued for etc... With morale paying for the initial purchase of the coins, if I want to issue one to someone, I buy it at twice the price morale paid for them. This is so that we can add to our morale fund, and on the next purchase, the profit gained from the selling of the first batch, will pay for the next. The down side to this is getting the morale committee to agree on the design (18-19 year olds definetely have different artistic ideas the me... :D ).
As for should the CG pay for it? If the unit has set up the instruction, dotted the I's and crossed the T's then yes! Why?? Because the CO/OinC are responsible for the morale and welfare of their crew. This is one simple way to increase the morale and say thanks for a doing a better job than we thought possible.

Craig

[BMCS Burt Ford]

yes wray they even allow us to buy business cards.

I like the idea delain. Our young folks thrive on everythng instant! It is like being thanks by your OIC at quarters. everyone sees it.

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

yes wray they even allow us to buy business cards.

Wow.. as I remember it, I had to buy my own.... from Frank Hawthorne.... a former MST...

Wray... :cool:

[CMC Bruce Bradley]

Clarify something for me guys. We can buy preprinted personal business cards from any vendor we choose with 30 funds? Or can we use work computers and printers to make personal business cards?

I was under the impression that option 2 was the only thing allowed allowed. Or if we bought a unit position card (i.e. OOD, OinC) not your name that that was acceptable. And if there is a change, what is the reference that authorizes it.

And BTW, I do have unit coins (bought with 30 funds) with a time tested and approved instruction that allows it. I use it for plaques too and haven't had anything kicked back by FINCEN in years. And Wray before you ask I use my OinC slice of the budget for it. I've also bought study guides and such with "my money".

[GMCM Bill Wells (Ret)]

Ah yes, instant gratification.

If the "coins" are allowed to be purchased with taxpayer funds then should this not be part of the Coast Guard's recognition manual? Or is it already?

I believe the army began handing them out as "challenge coins" and were brought to the Coast Guard by the wandering messengers of the Coast Guard sent to other enlisted service leadership schools.

I have no idea what a "good job" means for every unit in the Coast Guard. I doubt this may be answered with any consistency. We know the medals and awards system is not applied the same although there are specific requirements. The largest abuse is the "end of tour" award. There is no such animal, but there do seem to be many passed out each year. My feelings if someone does something worth a medal or award during their tour then give it then. If not, present them with a plaque or coin when they depart.

Of course, if the latter is done you'll hear the whines and moans of how 'unfair' that is, no matter how appropriate.

The question is if a "coin" is given for a "good job" what is given for a bad one? Some one should have coins made that illustrate positive and adverse Page 7 remarks. These "coins" are being backed with a Page 7 entry are they not?

I have always asked why does the Coast Guard have to meet the expectations of its younger members when many will not meet the Coast Guard's. I know my first ship in the navy had many WWII and Korean War vets. They came up under the Rocks and Shoals and said the younger folks, myself included, were too demanding and selfish, but the command did not reduce standards to appease our childish inquires and wants.

I think I'll have old codger coins stamped out to be presented to those in the present Coast Guard who can emulate an old codger the best.

[PACS Steve Carleton]

I don't see a problem with handing out coins for recognizingthe work of an individual.

For those that are complaining about doing, this, you would probably scream if the people were recognized with a Commandant's Letter of Commendation Ribbon, which is worth points on the SWE.

We have had plenty of discussions about the CG handing out Medals and Awards like candy.

Giving out coins is a method for rewarding people, period.

If the coins are paid for by a unit's CPO Mess, the CO/XO discretionary funds, or the unit morale fund, what is the problem?

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

"
I don't see a problem with handing out coins for recognizingthe work of an individual.
If the coins are paid for by a unit's CPO Mess, the CO/XO discretionary funds, or the unit morale fund, what is the problem?"

In my opinion.... those that feel they need to hand these out should have to buy them themselves...

At the most, I could see the MCPO-CG & perhaps the CMC's having them paid for by CG funds.. Definately no one else...

Would YOU buy them??

Wray.. :cool:

[BMCS Dave Considine]

[b]"

Would YOU buy them??

Wray.. :cool:

Absolutely - like in my previous post, it is a proven leadership tool. The cost for AFC-30 funds for 50 coins is under $200. Besides PPE, best money I have spent. The motivational value of the coins is great. The people are proud to get one at quarters.

Keep in mind that I can also give them to Team Coast Guard - meaning Auxiliarists and Civilians. This is a great way to recognize their contributions to the overall success of the CG missions here at the station.

If the performance equates to an individual award they are written for an award. If the performance doesn't meet the award criteria, but STILL DESERVES RECOGNITION, then the coin is used.

Here is what the written coin instruction looks like:

This award is designed to facilitate the recognition of members of the Station ****** team for their outstanding efforts. Any individual can recommend a co-worker (peer, superior, subordinate, Auxiliarist) for remarkable and previously unrecognized performance that contributed significantly to the command’s missions and/or success of the overall team. Individuals should forward recommendations via e-mail to the Executive Petty Officer. Recommendations should be clear and concise, bulletized, and focus on the performance being recognized. The Executive Petty Officer will maintain a record of all coins presented.

Bottom line is that this reflects a change in the thinking of Coast Guard leadership learning and building. A message just came out allowing me to use unit funds to buy books on the Commandants reading list.

2. UNITS ARE AUTHORIZED AND RECOMMENDED TO PURCHASE THE BOOKS ON THE LIST FOR THEIR PROFESSIONAL LIBRARIES. ONE SET OF BOOKS COSTS APPROX 377 DOLLARS FROM AN INTERNET BOOK RETAILER (NOT INCLUDING TWO CURRENTLY OUT-OF-PRINT BOOKS ON THE LIST). MCPOCG BOWEN IS PURSUING FUNDING FOR THESE BOOKS FOR SELECT OCONUS UNITS.
8. INTERNET RELEASE AUTHORIZED.
9. ADM THAD ALLEN, COMMANDANT, SENDS.

[GMCM Bill Wells (Ret)]

I don't see a problem with handing out coins for recognizingthe work of an individual.

We have had plenty of discussions about the CG handing out Medals and Awards like candy.

Giving out coins is a method for rewarding people, period.


Scoop,
Are they for recognition or rewards (awards)? If for awards then a LOC or other award would be more appropriate. If for local recognition, then perhaps the attaboy coin.

I can see where the situation could become confuses. A metal coin for recognition, and paper for an award?

In the Homer Hickam book, Torpedo Junction, a U-boat commander was presented with an "Iron Cross" made by his crew from metal aboard the sub. He did receive an official one later, but he continued to wear the one his crew made him. It was their recognition of his great talent for sinking U. S. shipping and getting them out safely.

And we don't really want to get started on the abuse of the awards and medal system.

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

Well certainly anyone that purchases them out of their own wallet has the right to do whatever they want with them.....

I'd be willing to bet (lots) if everyone but the MCPO-CG had to buy their own coins, the distribution of these coins would decrease greatly.. hence making them much more meaningful...

Why doesn't someone suggest this to the MCPO-CG?

Wray... :cool:

[OSC Delain Tate]

Our coins are paid for with 30 funds, and yes, there is a strict log I keep with all who receives a coin. I inventory the coins monthly and pass the info to my XO. They're not passed out like candy, a recommendation is made and the mess votes on it.

As for the awards program, or lack of it depending on where your located. I am a huge supporter of the program, if a member is deserving of a LOC, Achievement ect... they are put in for one, but they still may receive a coin in the meantime.

-Delain

[PACS Steve Carleton]

[b]"
Would YOU buy them??

Absolutely!

I believe in on-the-spot recognitionof my people and if purchasing coins or a coffee cup or other memento that they proudly display does the trick, then why not?

Scoop,
Are they for recognition or rewards (awards)? If for awards then a LOC or other award would be more appropriate. If for local recognition, then perhaps the attaboy coin.

Master Chief,

First, please don't call me "Scoop" I don't find it all that endearing and nobody else on this board refers to me that way. Since we are in a "virtual Mess" you can call me Steve or Senior whichever you are more comfortable with..

If an award such as an LOC is appropriate, then certainly I believe going through the awards board process is wholly appropriate. But, if that process takes way longer than it really should, how the hell do we recognize the efforts of our people in a timely fashion?

In the 5th District, the Chief of Law Enforcement personally "coins" boat crews and boardintg teams with the D5 Coin for their LE efforts such as BWI's, appropriate use of force, etc. One could argue that the crews were "just doing their job" so do we just ignore them?

[OSC Delain Tate]

Post a pick of your coins

I'll have to find a scanner here and scan in some pics.

-Delain

[OSC Delain Tate]

I believe in on-the-spot recognition of my people and if purchasing coins or a coffee cup or other memento that they proudly display does the trick, then why not?

Excellent point!

If an award such as an LOC is appropriate, then certainly I believe going through the awards board process is wholly appropriate. But, if that process takes way longer than it really should, how the hell do we recognize the efforts of our people in a timely fashion?

I think "Timely Fashion" are the key words in that paragraph.

[BMCS Dave Considine]

Well certainly anyone that purchases them out of their own wallet has the right to do whatever they want with them.....

I'd be willing to bet (lots) if everyone but the MCPO-CG had to buy their own coins, the distribution of these coins would decrease greatly.. hence making them much more meaningful...

Why doesn't someone suggest this to the MCPO-CG?

Wray... :cool:

I use the thirty funds coins for the active duty, reserve, auxiliary, and civilians that deserve recognition. I personally buy from morale the ones I give to other people - for example I paid for the ones that went to the people on the coin, since legally I cannot give coins to them since they are no longer in the service. Other coins I have bought myself and distributed are coins for the volunteers that keep the CG36500 in pristine shape and donate countless hours giving tours etc.

I really think you are missing the point here Wray. I have MCPOCG Welch and MCPOCG Bowen's coins, they mean a great deal to me. I also have a coin from Station Point Allerton that the CO there gave me after September 11th. That means the same. All paid for by AFC 30 funds. It doesn't matter who paid for them, and the Gold Medal Crew will never know I paid for the coins for them personally. Why - BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER. They were recognized for their achievement, not on how the coins were paid for.

I have the coin posted in another thread, but here it is again since Ron is asking.

[MSTC Shad Hudgins]

If an award such as an LOC is appropriate, then certainly I believe going through the awards board process is wholly appropriate. But, if that process takes way longer than it really should, how the hell do we recognize the efforts of our people in a timely fashion?

I think this is a valid complaint. I'm just not sure if creating other awards is the answer. I was pleasantly surprised to see a time frame written into the unit's SOP when I arrived for awards processing. 30 days. Push to have this added at your unit.

[OSC Delain Tate]

Here's COMMSTA's Coins.

-Delain

[GMCM Bill Wells (Ret)]

First, please don't call me "Scoop" I don't find it all that endearing and nobody else on this board refers to me that way. Since we are in a "virtual Mess" you can call me Steve or Senior whichever you are more comfortable with..

Sorry guy, I didn't know it was a sensitive issue. I believe I did read once where you referred to yourself as such. However, you may call me anything. It doesn't matter to me. No. 1 ban sung was one of the better ones I've heard. I could run through the list, "guns," "cannon cocker," "muzzle (expletive deleted)," and several others. Even the CPO Academy calls me "Mister."

If an award such as an LOC is appropriate, then certainly I believe going through the awards board process is wholly appropriate. But, if that process takes way longer than it really should, how the hell do we recognize the efforts of our people in a timely fashion?

I am perplexed by this comment. I thought it was a chief's job to make the effort and run that gaunlet for his people. Just because something is difficult does not mean it should not be tried. If the "process" takes too long then that problem should be one you address up the line. Why would it take too long when the awards section is in the same building? Timeliness is relative. If someone is deserving, tell him. Also tell him the paper work is in. Most people understand the process. There is no reason why you could not do both. The "coin" is personal, the LOC is official. The problem is solved on both ends.

You have to stick with it. I've had a FOIA request at CGHQ for nearly six years. I'm not giving up on it.

In the 5th District, the Chief of Law Enforcement personally "coins" boat crews and boardintg teams with the D5 Coin for their LE efforts such as BWI's, appropriate use of force, etc. One could argue that the crews were "just doing their job" so do we just ignore them?

I'd like to ask those receiving the coin what they would rather have. A coin or a LOC they could wear and use for advancement. Also is it appropriate to present items to people who are doing what they are supposed to in the first place? Does this mean they regularly go outside the rules and are rewarded for doing their jobs correctly?

If the people are "just doing their jobs," then they should be told so. The purpose of extra acknowledgment is not to ensure they just do their jobs, but to exceed in them.

I would recommend a book for teaching and training people. Barbara Wodehouse's, No Bad Dogs.. It has some great insights on training people as well. Don't be shocked someone would use dog training practices on people. It is done all the time where obedience is required.

[PACS Steve Carleton]

I thought it was a chief's job to make the effort and run that gaunlet for his people. Just because something is difficult does not mean it should not be tried. If the "process" takes too long then that problem should be one you address up the line. Why would it take too long when the awards section is in the same building? Timeliness is relative. If someone is deserving, tell him. Also tell him the paper work is in. Most people understand the process. There is no reason why you could not do both. The "coin" is personal, the LOC is official. The problem is solved on both ends.

It is in fact a Chief's job to exercise the right amount of diplomacy (I have two, coffee cup and size 12 steel-toed boot), both are effective, but have to be used properly. Utilizing the coffee cup diplomacy, I have been succesful in obtaining the proper recognition for my people when the ball got dropped.

When I put people in for awards, I don't think it is appropriate to tell them potential recipient that "the paperwork" is in, this unduly raises expectations on the individual if the award is a.) not approved; or b.) downgraded for whatever reason.

I see no reason why a coin can't be presented right away and an appropriate recognition in the form of an LOC can't also be done at a later date.

I'd like to ask those receiving the coin what they would rather have. A coin or a LOC they could wear and use for advancement. Also is it appropriate to present items to people who are doing what they are supposed to in the first place? Does this mean they regularly go outside the rules and are rewarded for doing their jobs correctly?

Good question, maybe we can post this as a poll on The Deckplate

If the people are "just doing their jobs," then they should be told so. The purpose of extra acknowledgment is not to ensure they just do their jobs, but to exceed in them.

This has been an underlying question on whether someone should "deserve" an award for a long time.

I would recommend a book for teaching and training people. Barbara Wodehouse's, No Bad Dogs.. It has some great insights on training people as well. Don't be shocked someone would use dog training practices on people. It is done all the time where obedience is required.

I have this book, and have used on my dogs, and yes, even my son. One technique is to reward the dog quickly (with a treat and positive voice(praise)) for good behavior, until the behavior is learned, then continue with positive praise, etc. -- hmmm, sounds like timely recognition of our people.

[GMCM Bill Wells (Ret)]

I have this book, and have used on my dogs, and yes, even my son. One technique is to reward the dog quickly (with a treat and positive voice(praise)) for good behavior, until the behavior is learned, then continue with positive praise, etc. -- hmmm, sounds like timely recognition of our people.

Yep, I know, but the perception of quick for people and dogs is widely different. A dog will forget. People don't. One of the points of training dogs or people is to be consistent.

I've known commands that were consistently bad and good, however, the inconsistent ones were the ones that had the most trouble.

Injudicious handing out of trinkets will cause problems. There will be those who will feel their work deserved it when someone else gets one. This is a good reason to remain in the framework of the official recognition system. It may be a bit slower but in the long term it works out better. There are official items for civilians as well. I sent some out to people who supported our training efforts.

[MSTC Shad Hudgins]

I've known commands that were consistently bad and good, however, the inconsistent ones were the ones that had the most trouble.

MC,
Couldn't agree with this more! I've seen extremely inconsitent awards processes, mainly dependent on what you wear on your collar. At least with consistency, it removes the feeling of injustice!

[OSC Delain Tate]

I have 6 ribbons on my chest that I've earned over the last 17 years (not counting good conducts). The rest is candy that has been passed out. Every award has a story behind it, and will be displayed when I retire in a shadowbox.

As of right now, I also have 7 coins that have been given to me over the last few years, and every one of those also has a story behind it. They too will be displayed when I retire along with my shadowbox.

When a member leaves a command with a LOC for doing a great job for 3 or 4 years (I'm not starting with end of tour awards...that's a different thread) and arrives at their new command with a LOC on his or her chest, it will be looked at by others and forgotten.

But…When that same member pulls out the coin that was presented to him or her, for working a SAR Case, or going above and beyond for something in particular, that not everyone in the Coast Guard has, I think that may say more for the member than what they're wearing on their chest.

-Delain

[GMCM Bill Wells (Ret)]

But…When that same member pulls out the coin that was presented to him or her, for working a SAR Case, or going above and beyond for something in particular, that not everyone in the Coast Guard has, I think that may say more for the member than what they're wearing on their chest.


The word coin is probably used incorrectly because it relates to some monetary relationship. However, in a nautical sense, it can mean a wedge, most commonly spelled as quoin. Perhaps in keeping with the sea going nature of the Coast Guard it should be spelled quoin because it is a wedge.

I find it interesting that an unofficial quoin is worth more than an a official award. Has the LOC become worthless? Has it been handed out too much? If so, then what of awards presented to the entire service? It would seem that a LOC is more difficult to obtain than the CG PUC because there is some performance criteria tied to the LOC.

If the LOC is worthless, how long will be before the quoins become worthless?

[OSC Delain Tate]

I find it interesting that an unofficial quoin is worth more than an a official award. Has the LOC become worthless? Has it been handed out too much? If so, then what of awards presented to the entire service? It would seem that a LOC is more difficult to obtain than the CG PUC because there is some performance criteria tied to the LOC.

I looked back at my post, and I don't see anywhere in there where I stated or implied that a LOC, or any award for that matter was worthless. I gave an example, albeit maybe not a good one.

If the LOC is worthless, how long will be before the quoins become worthless?

Every award, coin, certificate, ribbon, trophy that I've ever received is pretty much worthless to someone else. But, make no mistake, they all do hold a certain sentimental value to me. Just as I'm sure every award presented to you holds a sentimental value as well. So that doesn’t make them worthless.

-Delain

[PACS Steve Carleton]

Every award, coin, certificate, ribbon, trophy that I've ever received is pretty much worthless to someone else. But, make no mistake, they all do hold a certain sentimental value to me. Just as I'm sure every award presented to you holds a sentimental value as well. So that doesn’t make them worthless.

Exactly right Delain -- Someone, somewhere determined that those awards were to recognize you and your efforts!

And I see nothing wrong with that!

[GMCM Bill Wells (Ret)]

Delain you may want to see your post, "When a member leaves a command with a LOC for doing a great job for 3 or 4 years (I'm not starting with end of tour awards...that's a different thread) and arrives at their new command with a LOC on his or her chest, it will be looked at by others and forgotten."

This implies the LOC is worthless while flipping the quoin like recogintion from a 12-Step program will bring instant acclaim. Just how impressed will the new station be? I asked before, was the quoin backed up with a Page 7 entry why it was given?

In 1965 while at a post-deployment ship's party, the wife of a young sailor's wife asked the CO for what ribbons stood. He had a respectable collection from WWII and Korea. He pondered for a minute and replied the ribbons were his half of the ticket. She gave him one of those looks, and he explained the government sends you into the show. Just like at the movies, they get half of the ticket and you get the other.

Personally, I hold no sentimental attachment to them. Sentiment is for those who haven't seen the show.

No one has explained why a person who does an "good" or "great" job only gets a quoin. That wedge to push them up but like all wedges it has a tendency to slide out during action if not pounded back into position. Whereas an award is a block support and a foundation. In this era of mass givaways why is it so difficult to get a LOC pushed through?

[BMC Ken Gouge]

The LOC, like it or not, places someone a point ahead of where they would have been in the final multiple for any SWE. The "whatever" glances came about when they started being handed out for recruiting someone...

[BMCS Dave Considine]

No one has explained why a person who does an "good" or "great" job only gets a quoin.

MC

I think the reasons for the coin have been explained extremely well through all the previous posts. I think you don't agree with the premise, therefore you don't except the reasoning. It seems futile to try and continue to explain.

[GMCM Bill Wells (Ret)]

MC

I think the reasons for the coin have been explained extremely well through all the previous posts. I think you don't agree with the premise, therefore you don't except the reasoning. It seems futile to try and continue to explain.

It is not that I disagree with the premise but the fact that the quoins are being used instead of the official system. We have heard that the official system is too difficult to work with so an easier and less complicated path is taken.

What I expect is for the chiefs to take the extra effort to ensure official recognition if the person deserves it. Right now, it sounds more like JROTC awards.

What did people do before shelling out the bucks for quoins? What wedge was there before? Personal rationalization is not always a reason.

[PACS Steve Carleton]

It is not that I disagree with the premise but the fact that the quoins are being used instead of the official system. We have heard that the official system is too difficult to work with so an easier and less complicated path is taken.

Looking through the posts, I didn't get the idea that the (quoins, coins, etc.) were being used instead of the official recognition system, but rather to augment or even enhance the official awards system.

[MKC Art Bailly (ret)]

Here’s and example of when I think the coin is a great time to give it out. On my last cutter we the chiefs mess gave out coins to newly advanced third class petty officers. Here’s how it worked. When either a striker or a SNBM/FNMK or whatever rate was qualified to advance they were qualified to receive a coin from the mess. At quarters after his advancement certificate was read and his crows pinned on, one of the chiefs would read the Petty Officer Certificate then offer his hand to the member with a coin in it from the Chiefs Mess. The crew thought it the best thing ever and it meant more to the newly advanced petty officer then having the certificate read to him. If your wondering what I’m talking about in regards to the petty officer advancement certificate and coin just review the Petty Officer Advancement Coin thread under groups/ CPOA / <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on">Mount Hood</st1:place>.

[BMC Ken Gouge]

I get what Bill mentioned earlier. The coin is a good immediate recognition tool, but It should not be used instead of the documentation system in place.

Earlier it was questioned whether these people got a good page 7 or just a coin, and I never saw an answer. I think it bears bringing it back to the front of the topic. The on the spot recognition is great, but if someone has done something worthy of a coin, they should probably also get a good page 7.

Their next unit, when considering their performance if they should commit some infraction, will never see a coin in their PDR...

[GMCM Bill Wells (Ret)]

Looking through the posts, I didn't get the idea that the (quoins, coins, etc.) were being used instead of the official recognition system, but rather to augment or even enhance the official awards system.

My reading was that some found giving a quoin for a "good" was easier than going through the bureaucracy of having an decoration approved. I do not see how an unofficial quoin may enhance or augment the official system. If this is the aim then perhaps a new chapter for the new revision of the Awards or Recognition instructions.

There is also much subjectivity between what is a good or great job. Regardless, there should be some documentation to support a quoin presented. There was a time before quoins when positive page 7 entries were made.

I think the quoin on advancement is a good idea as well. It isn't for any duty performed but for personal achievement. There is nothing subjective about it. Either they advance or they don't.

Also, I like the use of the term quoin better. It has a nautical flare and it certainly isn't something the navy and army would think of using. The term will make the CG ones more unique and special. Of course, some bright sailor may make up a ditty about a quoin being better than a kick in the groin.

The point remains that those receiving them should understand these quoins are not part of the official system. There is no reason why a high performer could not have both official and unofficial recognition.

[PACS Steve Carleton]

Here is a shocker -- I'm actually going to agree with you on your last post.

Even with the quoins, some people are coining people sparingly enough that they do hold special meaning, and they do become treasured keepsakes that may be handed down through generations.

Who knows where these coins will end up?

A history buff like your self can certainly see the value there.

[GMCM Bill Wells (Ret)]

Here is a shocker -- I'm actually going to agree with you on your last post.

Even with the quoins, some people are coining people sparingly enough that they do hold special meaning, and they do become treasured keepsakes that may be handed down through generations.

Who knows where these coins will end up?

A history buff like your self can certainly see the value there.

The quoins will have little historical value unless there is documentation to support their purpose and presentation. Since many are made by private persons their meaning will be lost when these people cease presenting them.

We've seen how even official badges, e. g. the Cutterman's Insignia, have lost their original meanings.

What someone needs to do, and do quickly, is to begin collecting hight quality images, front and obverse, of the quions with a description of the who, what, when, where, how and quantity.

BTW, I am a beyond the "buff" stage. I have published in peer reviewed journals. I have also taught college level history classes.

[OSC Delain Tate]

I appreciate everyone's comments, opinions, views ect... I think were beating a dead horse with this. I initially wanted to know if other commands was doing something along the same lines. I see now that some are for this, and some are opposed. I personally think we have gotten off topic.

If a member is deserving of an award, LOC, Achievement ect. I'm all for that, and I will be more than happy to submit that member for the award. If that same member deserves a positive pg. 7, then I will be more than happy to draft one of those up too.

In the meantime, while the award is in the approval phase, or the pg 7 is being routed via the command for signature, I'm going to go that extra step, and present that member with a coin, or quoin.

Anyways, thanks for all the replies.
-Delain

[BMCM Deane Smith]

Do you want to know why units are purchasing coins with unit funds? Because it's authorized.

For those of you that have retired...things have changed. They may not have been authorized when you retired, but they are now.

[BMC Ken Gouge]

Bill, on a side note, "front" and "obverse" are the same thing. I assume you are talking about quantity minted etc. from a collector/value standpoint. I think it would be a cool side-note to know if you were given 1 of the 300 minted thus increasing its possible value, but I don't think that is what was intended when the coin was given.

[GMCM Bill Wells (Ret)]

For those of you that have retired...things have changed. They may not have been authorized when you retired, but they are now.

Deane, We understand this. You are correct, in the past if someone did good job he got a pat on the shoulder and a personal well done and, at times, some extra liberty.

It was also an era that was not about instant, and near constant, gratification of the present. When you saw someone with an Achievement Medal you could bet they did something to earn it. The same for higher awards.

I have no difficulties with the quoins. I understand their purpose. They are continuations of current leadership philosophy that uses objects to reinforce an individuals leadership style. I would still like to see some sort of documentation to go along with them. Perhaps the CG could start the Quoin Person of the Year.

As I noted earlier, I've got a few of them and all I did was shake a hand and kept on breathing.

"A quoin, a quoin, my kingdom for a quoin." ;)

[GMCM Bill Wells (Ret)]

Bill, on a side note, "front" and "obverse" are the same thing.

You are, or course, correct. I mistyped. If the quoins are of a limited nature they are automatically collector's items to someone. In this situation, perhaps they sould be presented in the quoin cases. I put mine in them, although they may not be collector's items until all the parties are dead.

I got two different styles from Vince Patton. One is the generic MCPO-CG and the other has his name on it.

If anyone is in Washington, D. C., on Veteran's Day you'll probably be able to pick up some "wooden nickels" the "University of South Vietnam - School of Warfare," on it.

[AMTCM John Long]

One type of "atta-boy" I got that I keep to this day because it meant alot. A couple of years ago, one of my CO's put a little sticky note on the steering wheel of my truck thanking me for keeping the Dept Head out of trouble. Nothing else was said, just a sentence or two and a simple thanks. I got a kick out of that.

[PACS Steve Carleton]

One of my best kept momentos is a hand written note on unofficial CG Stationary thanking me for the job I did.

I have it tucked into a littel niche wright above my computer at home.

[PACS Steve Carleton]

The quoins will have little historical value unless there is documentation to support their purpose and presentation. Since many are made by private persons their meaning will be lost when these people cease presenting them.

What someone needs to do, and do quickly, is to begin collecting hight quality images, front and obverse, of the quions with a description of the who, what, when, where, how and quantity.

Perhaps "historical" value isn't the right word, maybe sentimental would be a more appropriate word. If my grandkids and beyond kep the coins and pass them down, then they do have "historical" value at least eo the people in the family.

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

Perhaps "historical" value isn't the right word, maybe sentimental would be a more appropriate word. If my grandkids and beyond kep the coins and pass them down, then they do have "historical" value at least eo the people in the family.

Don't bet on it..... IN a perfect world that may be true, but we are not there yet... Often as people "pass on" items that have no meaning to them are sold, given away, ot placed in the trash...

My Mother passed away in August... I am carefully going through her items to select and remove (keep) family related items.. It is not an easy task.. many people would just chuck it to clean things up.. I have found my Fathers report cards from middle school up... along with all his old flight logs, and many many other items..... not sure what I will do with them, but for now I have them...

If you or anyone else places a special value on these coins, or anything else, you should put it in a scrap book and label them so years down the road someone will know what they mean, or what they are....



Wray.. :cool:

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

Wray,

You can scan the old photographs and documents to record to a CD and share those things with other family members.

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

Joe, I have been doing some of that... my Mother was quite a photographer... She has slides from all over the world.. I may not get them all put on a CD, but I will certainly put any "family" type on one... much easier to look at, and will last a lot longer.. in this case it is a monumental task.. may take years to complete..

I have seen & heard stories how family members go in and throw things away with little regard for sentemental value.. I guess that comes with your up-bringing... I have the time & money to do the right thing, and will.

Wray... :cool:

[GMCM Bill Wells (Ret)]

I've been collecting and writing CG History for over 20 years. I have spoken with hundreds of people and the general concensus is most people beyond the immeadiate children do not keep the momentos of thier grandparents and beyond.

Largely this comes from a lack of understanding who things interconnect. This is why I recommend donating to a legimate organization that has the wherewithal to properly store and catalog those things. Not all do nor will many be around in 100 years.

The Coast Guard does have two archivists on staff, but I would not donate to the CGA. They have 'lost' to much stuff in the past.

I just recently sent some postcards my dad got in Fiji during WWII to their museum. I am getting ready to send some more to New Zealand. They are looking for WWII era postcards for their respective collections.

I am also dividing some photos of my mothers family with the kids from that side of the family. They will mean more to them and will allow them to fill out thier family histories. Keep a few in an album, but just thinks what will they do with all your stuff.

My oldest son is concerned what will be done with my "urn" for my ashes. It is a 5"/38 projectile. I thought perhaps they could put it in the new museum one of these days to look over the ordnance collection.