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MSTC SJ Natale
12-11-2006, 02:52 PM
I hope this is an appropriate place for this. I just received an e-mail with this from the ISC XO. It details the process, results, and outcomes of a DUI arrest, in this case to a Naval LCDR.

Maybe share with others? Brings up some very good points and some specific to Military personnel.

Diary of a Drunk Driver

I am a 46 year old Naval Officer stationed here at the Naval Medical Center San Diego. I have been on active duty for 27 years that included 16 years of service as enlisted. The following paragraphs lay out in detail a chronological chain of events that completely changed my life over the last year from Halloween 2005 to Halloween 2006. Please take a few minutes to read this diary and hopefully what happened to me will never happen to you:

A few points about myself I want to share before going into the details of my eventual arrest for Driving Under The Influence of Alcohol. I did not consume alcohol on a consistent basis. As a matter of fact, I only drank alcohol occasionally at home or occasional social gatherings. I am an avid long distance runner and have completed 3 marathons (Rock and Roll here in San Diego twice and the Marine Corps Marathon in Washington, D.C.) I have two almost grown children and have very strong religious and moral beliefs. What happened to me can happen to anybody, anytime, anywhere if you are an alcohol user. I am not telling anyone not to use alcohol. I am saying however DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT, consume alcohol of any amount and operate a motor vehicle. Take a taxi, call a friend or walk home. DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE!!!!!!!!

On 29 October 2005 at about 20:45 I was arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol on Interstate 8 at the College Avenue exit. I had just left a social gathering where alcohol was served. While driving home, I was stopped by the San Diego Sheriff’s department because my driving was impaired by the alcohol and I crossed over the white line that separated the lanes. I was issued a field sobriety test and failed. I was placed under arrest at the scene and transported to the San Diego County Jail. Don’t believe what you see on TV where the high priced lawyer comes and gets you out 15 minutes later. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. You will be there for a minimum of 8 to 10 hours. You will be searched, fingerprinted, photographed and then placed in a cell 20 X 20 with 40 of Your Best Friends that you never want to see again. The only thing in this room is a toilet in the corner. After the 8 to 10 hours and processing was complete I was released. I walked out of the jail on the streets of San Diego at about 0800 in the morning and came face to face with at least 75 homeless people. And I thought I had a bad night. NOW IS WHEN THE FUN BEGINS.

I had to attend a 3 months First Conviction Program at SDSU that included 12 1 hour classes each week for 12 weeks and 6 2 hour lectures for 6 weeks. I attended a mandatory Mothers against Drunk Driving lecture in which 3 moms told the story of the loss of their children to drunk drivers. A very emotional and guilt ridden experience. I had to complete 10 days of community service picking up trash, cleaning parks, etc for the city. I had to hire an attorney to represent me and contact my insurance company. I went to court and received a substantial fine. The combined costs of this was:

First Conviction Program $445
MADD: $25
Attorney: $1,700
Fine and Court Costs $1,950
Total: $4,120

And I have even talked about the insurance. It does not matter who your insurance company is, they will cancel you and you will have to obtain a much less reputable insurance and much higher price. It will cost you thousands and thousands of dollars over the years.

Then comes the DMV. OH JOY. I lost my driver’s license completely for 30 days and had a restricted license for 5 more months. And this was before I ever went to court. The DMV will revoke and suspend your license without a conviction. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Just being cited is justification. And then you have to pay to get it back. $195 is the cost.

I was selected for promotion to LCDR effective 1 February 2006. My promotion was withdrawn and I was removed from the promotion listing. I was processed for administrative separation and will retire involuntarily within the next 6 months. The reason I talk about this is because if I had not been arrested, I would have continued on active duty for 4 more years and reached a 30 year retirement. If I lived for 20 more years which is very reasonable, the loss of this LCDR pay at 30 years vice LT pay at 26 years will end up being approximately $600,000 over 20 years.

As you have noticed, I made a point of the monetary loss. The monetary loss PALES IN COMPARISION to the shame, emotional pain, grief and guilt that this will cause YOU, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR CO-WORKERS and just about every person you come in contact with. It can COMPLETEY DESTORY YOUR LIFE as you know it. It will have an adverse affect on EVERY FACET OF YOUR LIFE. I am just so thankful that I DID NOT KILL SOMEONE while driving under the influence of alcohol. I have only detailed the highlights (if you can call them that) of this experience. There are many more smaller painful points but they are too many too mention.

My hope is that for those of you who take the time to read this you will not drink and drive. If my pain keeps just 1 of you from drinking and driving and even more if it saves one life then it was worth the pain.

Thank You

SKC Raymond Kurtz
12-11-2006, 03:06 PM
Very sobering indeed (and I meant to use that pun.)

BMC John Phillips III
12-11-2006, 03:10 PM
Very well written and said, I will likely read this to my crew.

Good post.

Ray, I am a firm believer that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, so far be it for me to tell you that your pun is totally inappropriate. Woops, I think I just broke one of my windows, but hopefully the stone got your window too.

AETC Joseph Adams
12-11-2006, 04:21 PM
I'm going to post this around the base. We have our Christmas party comming up this Thursday and of corse, Holiday Routine. Great read!

SKC Raymond Kurtz
12-11-2006, 06:26 PM
I found this on the Navy Safety site, a very powerful presentation on the $$ cost of DUI for the underage drinker.

http://safetycenter.navy.mil/seasonal/24-7Holiday/Presentations/Traffic_Safety/Outreach_DUI_Under-Age_Drinking.ppt

BMCS Dave Considine
12-11-2006, 08:13 PM
Add to that the story of the non-rate Coast Guardsman currently serving 8-10 years in a state prison for manslaughter. This was at a D1 unit a few years back. The non rate was driving back from his home state for duty and killed a motorcyclist. That is the one that hits home with the younger people when I have their indoc brief. I wish I could get him to write a letter to the troops also.

BMCM Stuart S. Slesh
12-11-2006, 10:24 PM
Not to find the fault in others, but that is who I am.
What happened to me can happen to anybody, anytime, anywhere if you are an alcohol user.
No it can't. It can't happen to anybody, it only happens to people who are stupid enough to think they can drink and drive.
Twice so far in my career I've listened to senior people talk about drinking and driving at an all hands function, who should had read this guys story before they spoke. One once told our crew that they couldn't get too drunk to drive in two hours. Another told people that while some people were okay to drive after two beers, others might not be.
Don't drink and drive, and you won't have a problem. Not everyone who drinks is stupid enough to get behind the wheel. Those that are shouldn't assume that everyone is as dumb as they are. And I don't care that you're socially or occasionally stupid., all it takes is one time.
I don't know how many times I've heard of COs providing the alcohol and telling people it was okay to drive.

The only problem with alcohol, is that stupid people are allowed to drink it, and it makes them dumber. Quit blaming alcohol for your stupidity.

ETC John D Zidek
12-12-2006, 09:39 AM
I posted this on the TraCen Yorktown Bulletin Board this morning. If it keeps one person from climbing behind the wheel..........

SKC Raymond Kurtz
12-12-2006, 09:42 AM
Not to find the fault in others, but that is who I am.
What happened to me can happen to anybody, anytime, anywhere if you are an alcohol user.
No it can't. It can't happen to anybody, it only happens to people who are stupid enough to think they can drink and drive.
Twice so far in my career I've listened to senior people talk about drinking and driving at an all hands function, who should had read this guys story before they spoke. One once told our crew that they couldn't get too drunk to drive in two hours. Another told people that while some people were okay to drive after two beers, others might not be.
Don't drink and drive, and you won't have a problem. Not everyone who drinks is stupid enough to get behind the wheel. Those that are shouldn't assume that everyone is as dumb as they are. And I don't care that you're socially or occasionally stupid., all it takes is one time.
I don't know how many times I've heard of COs providing the alcohol and telling people it was okay to drive.

I could not agree more. It’s all about being responsible, however, my problems is with Coast Guard morale functions and meetings. At a Chief's meeting with the CO a while back we were told it was okay to have a beer. This was at approximately 1400. Most of those present would be leaving right after the meeting, I assume that most of them drove home. So if something was to happen and they got charged with a DUI, how would that look? I’m not blaming this on the CO, it is the member’s responsibility not to drink if he or she knew that they would have to drive.

What about the beer tent at the Coast Guard Day picnics? I volunteered for this once. I saw people get so drunk that they were staggering or wandering around. They still came back for more and were served without a question being asked. If abusing alcohol is such a big deal why do we continually serve beer at functions like the Coast Guard Day picnics and Christmas parties?

And yes, I do enjoy the occasional adult beverage but I do have rules. I only drink at home or when I know that I will not have to get behind the wheel. I don't drink in bars or at Coast Guard morale functions. If someone is visiting me and chooses to have a drink, they do not leave, my rule is you drink, you stay the night. No exceptions.

"The only problem with alcohol, is that stupid people are allowed to drink it, and it makes them dumber. Quit blaming alcohol for your stupidity."

Very well said Master Chief.

BMCM Stuart S. Slesh
12-12-2006, 10:04 AM
It's all about personal responsibility and personal accountability. It always has been. I don't have a problem with providing alcohol at any social function. That doesn't remove the accountability from the person drinking.

And it really doesn't matter who tells you its okay. Everyone knows that its not okay to drink and drive. It is funny that people hear what they want to hear. For the past twenty(?) years people have been flooded with don't drink and drive on tv, billards, radio, newspapers, magazines, songs........ then their CO says it's okay, and they go with that. Not buying it. People still drink and drive because they think they are smart enough to handle it. They aren't.

But let's try one last time for those people who may not have heard......Don't drink and drive.

BMC John Phillips III
12-12-2006, 11:05 AM
Don't drink and drive, and you won't have a problem. Not everyone who drinks is stupid enough to get behind the wheel. Those that are shouldn't assume that everyone is as dumb as they are.
The only problem with alcohol, is that stupid people are allowed to drink it, and it makes them dumber. Quit blaming alcohol for your stupidity.

Master Chief, I mostly agree with everything you've said (mostly the part about you being who you are). Anyway, after the red text you should have added, "before they start drinking." Reason being there are a lot of smart people out there that know better, but quickly become dumb after they've had a few. That is why you have some people out there that won't touch alcohol under any circumstance. They finally figured out that even though they are smart enough to know better before they start drinking, that it was the alcohol evaporating the intelligence from their brains afterwards.

BMCM Stuart S. Slesh
12-12-2006, 11:16 AM
Alcohol doesn't make you do anything. It allows you to let yourself do things that you normally wouldn't. If you're drinking to the point where you're going to claim that alcohol was the one making your decisions............. you have an alcohol problem.......seek help. Quit drinking. By your own admission, your alcohol consumption has taken over your live. You're letting alcohol make too many important decisions for you. Quit drinking and you'll get to make all of your own decisions.

SKC Raymond Kurtz
12-13-2006, 12:01 PM
More DWI Power Points.

http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/presentations/ashore/motorvehicle/Jacqui.htm
http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/presentations/ashore/motorvehicle/onedrinktoomany.htm

Jacqui's story is VERY graphic and sad. What happened to her did not have to happen. If only.........................