PCPO Posts

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

The board members have suggested that the PCPOs would be an excellent source of new discussion forum members. We ask that you require your PCPOs to post something to the forum as a pre-requisite to the CCTI.

If you are a PCPO and already a member of this forum, we ask that in addition to your post, you ask your sponsor to do the same (assuming he/she is not already a posting member).

[MKC Jo Ledbetter]

...Or she is not already a posting member. :p

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

...yes, indeed.

[MCPO Bob Brayman]

that is a bad idea to "require" someone to post to this forum. Somewhere in my right vs. wrong footlocker this one is the sock with a hole in it. Are you going to require all Chiefs to participate in this forum? I don't think it's realistic and or the right idea to have PCPO's participate in that manner.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

I think that it is a better charge than others I have heard. Not knocking history....but being active, if only as a one shot deal, in a current forum with other active duty chiefs discussing events that affect our sailors today is more useful than researching some arcane fact about someone who died before my grandfather was born. I'm telling everyone I see about this forum. As for the PCPOs..?.. it may be just one more charge that they are not being held accountable for not completing.

[BMCM Deane Smith]

Like many Chief's (or E-7's) out there, posting to this mess might be the only interaction they have with a mess during their CCTI. I know in my experiences, 75% of the PCPO's do the minimum necessary to get by. I usually only see PCPO's at "Mandatory" functions or a couple of days before the CCTI when they're scrambling for their final tasks. I will be requiring our PCPO's to post to this forum, I may never hear from them otherwise.

[MCPO Bob Brayman]

So, if you require PCPO's to post to this cyberforum...then are you requiring all the chiefs to post. This requiring a PCPO to post in the open to an unknown audience without the privacy of the closed mess for indoctrination is unquestionably a bad idea. Remember that some things are supposed to be behind the closed doors of the mess and this does not rate that. To require them to join this is contrary to our values as chiefs' and coerces them to comply...this is about wanting to be a part of the mess.

[BMCM Deane Smith]

Maybe I need to clarify my intent. I will not be requiring them to do anything inappropriate or otherwise unacceptable in this forum. I know that non-chiefs are able to read this forum. An example of what I intend to do is have them read a good thread on policy or leadership and respond. Nothing more, nothing less. Hopefully they will enjoy the interaction and gain a broader sense of being a Chief.

Of course, they can always choose not to complete my charge, it wouldn't be the first time. I guess I just fail to see any negatives in what I intend to do.

[MCPO Bob Brayman]

As a former Chief of the Mess I required the face to face meeting or if the selectee wanted a sheet from another Chief far away they had to come to me asking for permission to use electronic media. I usually extended that to the one's onboard ships that were deployed. All others had to visit, call or mail thier request. We already spend way too much time in front of this monster...the charge sheets and charges are meant to "force" them to meet and converse with other Chiefs. Same with posting in the blind, sure your name is posted but it defeats the intent of the process. It just doesn't smell right, remember you are giving them a "legal and lawful" order and hold them to that...despite its only being enforceable in the mess. It takes away from the getting out and meeting others...sort of what we are doing by just sitting here typing away.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

MCPO Brayman, I agree with what you say as far as the grip and grin goes. People need to get out there and do the face to face, to start honing their networking skills, the only words of wisdom/charge sheets that I have ever or will ever send electronically are to those members that I have sailed with in the past who are now too far away to hand them to. I appreciate someone of your experience coming forward and expressing your views in this media. I do believe that charging someone to post on this forum is an excellent way for someone to become more active in their own mess. Forcing someone to read the views of other chiefs and responding, if only once, begins to show them that their voice matters. Their voice is no more or no less important than any other chief on the mess. It also makes them aware of new venues available to them. New sources of knowledge. They can post on this forum and solicit the wisdom and experience that for instance...you...can provide. When they come and meet me, I will continue to tell them of this forum. To me, it feels right.

[PACS Steve Carleton]

There are 11 PCPOs in the E-City Fall 04 Class that received the charge to post to this thread from me. In addition I placed this charge on a friend who is outside the area.

I will be checking!

[BMCM Deane Smith]

Bob,

I'm just charging them with getting into a discussion with their fellow Chiefs. This is not taking the place of their charge sheet or any other CCTI documents. I'll explain this task during our face-to-face.

I also think it's a way to promote this forum, who knows maybe a PCPO will be the next super moderator!

[MCPO Bob Brayman]

I'm all for open and free communications, however, this does not transcend my responsibilities as a Chief to place my charges in a situation such as this that takes away from the safety of a mess. The same mess where mistakes are allowed to be made and the safety net of those individuals who have already been initiated who understand the underpinnings of a quality initiation process. I disagree that charging them to post to this forum is a good, honest and professional way to get them to interact. There are just some things that are done behind the closed door of the mess for the good of all. Not all things are meant to be out in the open, hence the reason for secrecy of the initiation process. You see very similiar issues taken up on the other forum with disasterous results and some of those issues are alleviated by the use of your real name here. However, I would still surmise that most if not just about all PCPO's will avoid posting just like most if not all Chiefs will avoid posting. In my time I don't just charge them and leave the alone to do whatever, I maintain a proactive stance by constantly reminding them that there is work to do and that I am keenly interested in their developement as a Chief. Now, if on their own they happen to do it...good on them! It shows initiative which is rewarded in our ways. I would leave it at a suggestion to view and participate...not require them.

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

"I would still surmise that most if not just about all PCPO's will avoid posting just like most if not all Chiefs will avoid posting."

I'm betting that your wrong, Master Chief. I think that all Chiefs want to discuss important issues, have those discussions heard by our superiors and subordinates alike, and in the end- make a difference.

The Mess is not weakened by this discussion forum. What is said in the Mess will continue to stay in the Mess when appropriate. But, if we continue to limit our interactions to twenty or thirty people, when we have the ability to interact with thousands (there are 4000 chiefs in the CG), we will not be able to affect the changes needed or support those things that should not be changed, in an effective way. There is strength in numbers.

It is entirely appropriate that PCPOs be instructed to register and post on this forum. We may never hear from them again, but at least they will know where to find an open and honest discussion about today's issues.

I agree that not everything is meant to be in an open forum. But, that should be the exception- not the rule.

[PACS Steve Carleton]

My thought process by making this charge is to stimulate people to consider this forum as a valuable resource, one they may not have been familiar with.

I have had some very stimulating discussions (arguments?) with people on this forum that I may never have had the opportunity to meet otherwise. That is a valuable thing.

When or if the E-City Class posts, they will verify that this is not the only charge that I levied against them. :D

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

MCPO Brayman, again I don't see the problem. Every charge levied against a PCPO requires, coerces or forces them to do some amount of research. I'm not tasking them to do anything that they are morally or ethically opposed to. I'm not tasking them to start an arguement with me or Dennis, Deane, Dave or anybody else whose first name starts with a D for that matter. They don't have to engage in any of the passionate discussions that are in this forum. This charge doesn't send them to a remote location, make them develop film, betray state secrets, or spend a dime. 15 minutes over a two day period. Sign in.... read the views of other active duty chiefs.... reply to a single thread...... and log out. Sign in ...say..."I like the thought of having a YN at every unit" and log off. "I'm retiring in Puerto Rico because my wife is from there" and log off. " I'm not going Warrant because I already bought my E-8 insignia" and log off. If they don't like this page they never have to come back. I'm providing them access to an excellent tool of unlimited knowledge. As I have said before, I am a simple man, and maybe I'm blind....but I don't see a problem here.
And as for people posting only in forums sheltered with complete anonymity....seems cowardly to me. If they're afraid to put their name to their voice or view....they lack conviction...and they should keep them to themselves. And we should demand nothing less.

[MCPO Bob Brayman]

First, I agree with the last point about the use of names and verification in this forum. By doing it that way it keeps all honest and forthright.
Second, I agree with the ways of CCTI and the processes in place.
Third, I don't agree with the charging a PCPO to post on an open forum for the following two reasons:
A. You said it yourself, that it "seems" to be only a few person's opinions that are posted on a regular basis here. In statistics that would be an invalid sample; over 4000 CPO's and only a few participants in an unsanctioned electronic forum.
B. The CCTI process is for the PCPO to get out and get as many points of view as possible. Of course that is only as good as the PCPO is and how proactive the mess is.
Lastly, I myself like to use electrons to do some of my work for me. But, nothing beats the good old face to face or voice communications to really get the point across. I think that in todays technological world that we've lost some of our ability to really communicate.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

MCPO Brayman, couldn't (almost) agree with you more and really wish that you were part of my current mess. I agree with everything that you said except for your third point.
Dennis has another thread where he breaks down the statistics and asks why with 4000 chiefs in the field only 270 ( I just checked) are members of this forum. I use the charge to make them aware of its existence. What they do once charged is again up to them. I dream of, but am not a member of the proactive mess that you spoke of, maybe next year? 270 members and I still argue with the same ten. That isn't much different the Chief's mess I attend across the bridge. The big difference is that they still care enough to view the posts and who knows, someday, something might hit close enough to home to get a response out of a couple of them. If not I just assume one of us is making their case for them.

I was made aware of this forum by a friend of mine and have become addicted. I truely enjoy the interaction that I have here with people who still care. I don't focus on the thousands that haven't joined or the hundreds that don't respond, I enjoy the handfuls that do. I want to share this with others. I tell everyone I talk to and charge those that come to me as PCPOs.

Nothing, in my opinion, beats the face to face, yet another thread that can be found in this very forum.

Your views and your opinions, though different from mine, are now very clear to me. And thanks to this electronic medium, they are clear to anyone who cares to read this far down the page. Who knows....others may now decide which point they agree with and make their feelings on the matter known. They may bring this up at work and who knows what affect it could have.

Bottom line....shout it from the rooftops, let the people know.

[MKC Art Bailly (ret)]

Well said Stuart. I required a pcpo to post here and I think it was a good experience for him. He like all others has a voice and opinion that needs to be heard. Way to go MAC.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Interesting side note....interesting to me anyway...
To date, I have charged PCPOs that I have sailed with in the past who sent me charge sheets, a PCPO from a mess that I visited, and all three PCPOs from a neighboring mess whose CCTI I will be attending, schedule permitting, this friday. I have not yet seen any of the PCPOs from my own mess, which will be holding our CCTI next friday. I know my unit is detached, I didn't know it was disenfranchised.

[SKC Patrick Pierce]

PAC Carleton,

As per your request, I, PCPO Pierce, am posting to the PCPO thread. Hope to see you on November 5th. :)

[BMCS Nick Pupo]

See, the above example of a PCPO "required" post is what we sometimes get. If a person shows little interest in having their voice heard or sharing their opinion on a subject, this is an example of the post that will show up. A post with no substance is worse than no post at all. I didnt believe that charging an E-7 with posting on here was ever a good idea. But I sat and waited until I saw the first post to see the results. Now, with that said, it also brings into question the person posting, are they really interested in having their voice heard? With the amount of threads on this board, I find it hard to believe that something does not interest them.
This is my opinion, give the PCPO's and every Chief in your mess, the website for information, which has been suggested before. If they decide to post, good if not then thats fine also, but at least they wont make a mokery of a Charge or of this sight.

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

His was not the first post. The others just didn't identify themselves as PCPOs posting as a charge. And, the five or six that I read were very good.

Give Patrick some time. He may yet find his voice as a Chief.

[BMCS Nick Pupo]

Thanks Dennis, I stand corrected. But were they "required" to post. Hopefully you are correct, and he and others with that charge, will take it seriously and lend some additional insight to the board.

[PACS Steve Carleton]

Since I was the one who charged PCPO Pierce and 11 others with posting here, I will again stand by my position that it was done as a means to introduce this valuable forum and resource to the initiates of the Chief's Corps.

Rather than get upset because PCPO Pierce provided a generic post, let's ask ourselves why many of the conversations on these threads tend to have many of the same people engaged. Is it fear? Is it lack of interest? Perhaps this may make for another compelling argument in a seperate thread.

I challenge someone to go to the member list and look at how many people have 0 posts to their name. Pull a name at random, then send them an e-mail to ask them to review the threads and make a post on a topic that is of interest to them. It's kind of like registering to vote and then never casting a ballot and complaining that they don't like the way things are going.

How many of those same people are using (hiding behind) screen names on another forum?

If PCPO Pierce and the others that I charged visit, find something of interest that compells them to post and actively engage the rest of us at a later date, why is that a bad thing if I placed that charge in their books?

[BMCS Nick Pupo]

Steve; ok you stand by it, good. But I disagree, thats what makes this site important. We can see views that we other wise may not see. Further I stand by my thought that we should not charge them with posting. However, I have disagreed with other charges that I saw in charge books. Im also sure people have disagreed with a charge or two that I have made. It does not make it a bad charge just a difference of opinion.
As far as getting upset, far from it, if it was directed at me. It takes a lot more than somebody disagreeing with me to get upset.

Why dont you charge another PCPO with the items you suggest? Or better yet maybe I will. Let me know which one you perfer.
Additionally, as I stated in an earlier post giving them the site reference and letting them pick the thread may be all they need. If they are interested in topics then they probably will provide input.
I am registered to vote which I do and I am registered on this sight and I post.

[PACS Steve Carleton]

Senior,

I wasn't aiming my last post at you in particular. I agree with the idea that this forum is for us to engage and disagree. I hope we get more participants and a variety of viewpoints.

Since this was the first time that I placed this charge in any book, it may need a little refinement in future CCTIs

I like your idea of incorporating my suggestion into a charge. The next charge sheet that comes across my desk, I will do just that.

[YNC Mark Humphreys]

First of all, I will identify myself also as one of the PCPO that was charged by PAC Carleton to post to this or any other thread of my choosing. At first I had some reserve about participating in this type of forum, but while reading as I waited on my account to setup I had a change of heart. I found that there is a wealth of good information on this site; I am just not the chatting type. I would much rather meet and talk to co-workers and soon to be fellow Chiefs in person and discuss such topics. Something is lost when you cannot see people's facial expressions and body language. As far as this charge and others that I have received thus far, I have learned something valuable from each one.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Mark, you need to be commended, you get it. You have taken a charge, reviewed it, reflected on it, and applied it. As Chiefs we often find ourselves in situations where we need to do things in uncomfortable surroundings. Things don't always go exactly the way we would like and we must be able to adapt to the changes life throws our way. Your post expresses your open, honest, and intelligent view, and is exactly what this forum and the Chief's Mess needs. Way to go and welcome aboard. For the PCPOs that are posting merely to complete a task, you are missing the message. Ask yourselves, If I am not willing to apply myself in the simplest of assignments, what kind of Chief will I be ?

[BMCS Nick Pupo]

Although I have stated I disagree with the charge. It does have value, read the YN/PCPO's post and it shows that. It brought to the forum, a person who otherwise may not have posted.
Additionally, he posted in a manner that showed thought and purpose.
I say this to Mark, congratulations on your advancement. Now, although we dont know each other. I charge you with passing this site on to others outside your "sphere of influence". By doing this you will add to the numbers on this sight and increase the different opinions that will be expressed.

[SKC Patrick Pierce]

Greetings all,

I've found my way back to the CG Chiefs website (not that I was lost, just doing the Coast Guards work) and saw the responses to my post. I gave your responses some thought and it occured to me that on the very day that I posted I had helped a 3rd Class Petty Officer learn more about how to balance her PES report and gave counciling to another 3rd Class Petty Officer in my office about his seperation from his wife and his responsiblities under Chapter 8 of the Pay and Personnel Manual. On that day I also gave guidance to my 2nd Class Petty Officer on delegating authority to speed up the procurement process so that our customers can recieve their requests in a much more timely manner. With that taken into account it became very clear to me that I am, indeed, a Chief. I'm not a Chief with no voice, I do indeed have one. My voice is heard by those that work for me and those that see my work. Sorry to have wasted your time by making such a general post.

[PACS Steve Carleton]

SKC(P) Pat,

I hope that you do not feel that your visit and post were a waste of time. You certainly have nothing to be sorry about.

As you read my responses to those who didn't like your original post, I hope you understand why you were charged with this task.

It is my intention that you return to this forum and provide valuable insight to the discussions and disagreements that arise from time-to-time based on your experiences and opinions. Perhaps not on the existing topics but on future ones as they pop up

No voice on this forum or in the Mess is any less important than any other!

Good luck to you in this process and I look forward to attending your CCTI next week.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Patrick, if you had spent a fraction of the time that you spent writting the subsequent post,and applied it to the first post and "charge", you could have been back assisting the people that you did, and would not have wasted your own time. As it was, your first post was your way of introducing yourself to us. That was the reflection of your work to us.
As it stands, you do if fact have a voice. Your voice is no more or no less important than anyone else's in this forum, or anyone else's in your Mess.
Make sure you take the time to let your voice be heard. It is the most important thing that you have and the most beneficial tool to assist those that work for you. Take the time to apply it, it needs to be heard.

[ETC Brad Kopf]

Well let me introduce myself:
PCPO Brad Kopf, working for RBM Pro. Detached out of National Strike Force Coodination Center E-city N.C. Been a member of freds place for around 2 years and never liked the no name posters. Here ya taken care of that lil problem.
So I'll be back around to talk debate and just listen
Brad :D

[OSC David Nolan]

Good Morning,

I am OSC (E-7) David Nolan, currently working for the D11 Telecommunications Branch in Alameda. I stumbled across this board while on the MCPOCG web site, and passed the link to all other Chief's in my office. This is my first post, however I have been reading the ongoing discussions and find that the information provided is very worthwhile.

/r

Dave

[OSC Thomas Jackson]

I am still undecided whether PCPO's should be charged to view this site. During the CCTI process, I was required to visit Chiefs, Senior Chiefs and Masters Chiefs face to face and obtain their signatures, words of wisdom and charges. It was beneficial to talk to them one on one, and it felt good to have someone tell me personally "Welcome to the mess". However, though there may be some disagreement to charge someone to visit this site, I feel that all members of the Chiefs Mess should at least be made aware of this site. There is a lot of knowledge and experience here and I think it can be used as a tool for the smaller Chief's Mess to help get opinions from members outside of their group, and to meet other Chiefs throughout the Coast Guard. I would also like to add that PCPO David Nolan was the one who introduced me to this site. I guess I may have to show some lenience to him during the CCTI (YOU'LL STILL HAVE TO SING A FEW SONGS THOUGH). :)

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

Thomas- I don't believe anyone is saying that charging people to read and post to this site should replace a face-to-face. But, we can add a few hundred Chiefs in a virtual meeting that would not normally be available otherwise.


David- where on the MCPOCG website did you find this link??

[BMC Ken Gouge]

Dennis, I think that's how I found it as well. From MCPOCG's links you can get to the CPOA From the CPOA they have a link at the bottom portion of the page to the Chiefs Call (a non-CPOA site)

[OSC David Nolan]

Nail on the head with the link.

Tom,

As I have spoken to you about, I will not use this form to request words of wisdom. I have had he luxury of viewing what others before me have done, some not so well, but I have learned what will benefit me and what is just impersonal and is a half hearted attempt at filling a requirement. I recently received an email from a fellow E-7 requesting words of wisdom in a response. I actually felt that it was inappropriate and called this person. I feel that if you are to request someone give you their time and incite on how to behave as a Chief, then take the time to do it correctly, after all we are the examples for those under us.

Dave

[BMC Patrick Haughey]

Good day to all. I am PCPO Patrick Haughey. I normally go by Sean which is more common for me. This is my first post but definately not last. As I tend to navigate these sometimes dangerous and compelling waters more in the future. I have read many of the conversations and find that many individuals vary in opinion as they do in rate. I hope to gain a greater knowledge from all of you. I think that this is an excellant form of communication for all as well PCPO's like myself. Thank you for your time and interest.

[BMC John Greenwell]

My name is PCPO John Greenwell from the Shoreside Detachment in Owensboro KY. As charged I am here to introduce my humble self. I am looking forward to all that is in front of me with my up and coming CCTI. I would ask of any one of the Honorable Chiefs to indulge me with teachings from your vast storehouse of knowledge on all worldly things so as I may mentally prepare and walk near your side. :eek:

[BMC Chris Gempp]

PCPO Greenwell,
It's good to see that your going thru CCTI. Take great care of your people and they will take care of you. Encourage others to go thru CCTI as well. Enjoy your day.

Sing Semper Paratus LOUD and PROUD

[BMCS Roland Ashby]

I am PCPO Roland Ashby a reservist at Station Muskegon Michigan. I look forward to reading in forum and find it very interesting. I also hope to contribute from time to time.

NOTE: For any MCPO that I recently sent a charge sheet, I now see my mis-step in the color of the paper. Even my wife yelled at me :eek: I guess this is part of the learning process.

[OSC Steve Bryson]

Honorable Chiefs, Senior Chiefs and Master Chiefs...


My name is PCPO Steve Bryson from Pacarea and (as charged) I am here to introduce myself. I've looked through the site and found several useful items. I hope I can contribute in some fashion.

Thank you for your time,

E-7 Steve Bryson

[BMC Pete Ruggiero]

Honorable Chiefs, Senior Chiefs, and Master Chiefs,
Allow me to introduce my humble self, I am E-7 Pete Ruggiero. I too am going through the CCTI this spring, with E-7 Bryson and eight others. There is so much good wisdom on these pages that I cannot wait to spend time browsing through them. I hope that in the near future I am able to assist in some way here.

[OSC Thomas Jackson]

Nice job there Steve, might have to be lenient on you (even though you did not use the phrase "Honorable Chief" when replying to my charge). Like I said, there is some good information on this site.

[DCC Michael Lawing]

I am PCPO Michael Lawing, I have not been charged with making a post here, however I feel that I need to. I will be going through CCTI on 23 Mar 05. I am currently stationed on the CGC Harriet Lane and there are four of us that are going through the CCTI Process together. Unfortunately I am not able to get a lot of face time meeting with the Honorable Chiefs, Very Honorable Senior Chiefs and Most Honorable Master Chiefs.

I wish that I had the time to go around and meet as many as I could. However, I am Underway and I am forced to use the Computer (a tool) to try and get the "Words of Wisdom" from as many as I can.

I do agree that it is a great idea to get out and do the "Face to Face" time. But sometimes you have to use the tools that we are givin.

I look forward to meeting, working and sharing views with you all, some of youa I already do this with.

V/R
PCPO Michael Lawing

[OSC Jeff Alger]

I am PCPO Jeff Alger, and I too found and joined this board without being charged. I am currently at Group (soon to be Sector) New Orleans, and expect to begin CCTI in May.

I am really looking forward to it, as well as looking forward to becoming a member of "The Mess", both here at the unit and here on the board.

Thank you for your time.

[SKC Ronald Brumble]

PCPO Alger
While you are doing your CCTI, head over to the MSO. While your there look up the XO and tell him Brumble say's HI. You can get a business card from the CO while your there to! :D :D

I'm sure shortly after that He will be sending me an email. CDR Paradis, he is a great guy with plenty of sea stories to tell. No he is not Mustang, but dont hold that aginst him. :D :D

[OSC Jeff Alger]

SKC,

No need for me to go over there. Since we're in the middle of "Sectorizing", they keep coming to my neck of the woods. I'll pass on your greeting, but it'll be a while since I'm heading out to Petaluma this week for the CPO Academy.

[SKC Victor Tran]

Honorable Chiefs, Senior Chiefs and Master Chiefs...

My name is PCPO Victor Tran, MLCPAC (vpl-2) and (as charged) I am here to introduce my humble self. Myself and 9 other PCPO will be going through CCTI on 29 Apr 05. I've looked through the site and found a lot of useful info.

v/r
E-7 Victor Tran

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Welcome aboard Victor, we look forward to your input.

[OSC Thomas Jackson]

Good post Victor. After that rousing rendition of "Sponge Bob Square Pants" you did yesterday, I feel you're well on your way to surviving the CCTI. I will not be able to attend, I will be out of town, but I will put in a good word for you. Have fun and welcome to the mess.

[FSC Eric W. Thomas]

To all Most Honorable Master Chiefs, Very Honorable Senior Chiefs and Honorable Chiefs I am here to introduce my humble self,

I am E-7 Eric Thomas, CCTI Spring 2005 Bay Area. I am in the process of going through this wealth of interesting thoughts, concerns and comments. I look forward to the continued exploration of this site and in do time, hope to contribute something in the future that may help others as well.

[BMC Michael Carlson]

To all Most Honorable Master Chiefs, Very Honorable Senior Chiefs and Honorable Chiefs I am here to introduce my humble self,
Please allow me to introduce my self, I am E-7 Mike Carlson, I look forward to participating in some of the discussions here. I know that I am not yet wise enough to have an opion but, I think that it is a good idea to have PCPOs post to this web site if for no other reason than to know that it is here. Thank you Honorable Chief Jackson for giving me this opprotunity to find and read this web site.

Mike Carlson BM(almost)C

[OSC Thomas Jackson]

E-7 Thomas and E-7 Carlson, glad to see you both and welcome. You need a little work on your multi-tasking (singing the Popeye theme song and line dancing) but I think you'll survive the CCTI. Have fun..... :)

[BMCS Roland Ashby]

The Grand Haven Michigan Area Chief's Mess had thier CCTI this past Friday 08APR05. As one of 5 PCPO going through, I just want to say it was all worth it! I am so greatful that this tradition continues and will highly recommened CCTI to all new E-7's.

One great benefit is that I now know a number of songs to sign while underway :p

BMC Roland Ashby
Station Muskegon, MI

[BMCS Don Zoll]

Chief Ashby, I knew you'd enjoy it! Keep up the good work and good luck in the future brother chief.

[BMCS Roland Ashby]

Chief Ashby, I knew you'd enjoy it! Keep up the good work and good luck in the future brother chief.

Thanks Don. I hope our paths cross again in the future.

[MKC Art Bailly (ret)]

To all PCPO’s,
Please put your best effort into YOUR CCTI you will see the rewards in the end. Trust your fellow Chiefs and ENJOY the process. My mentor told me the same things and I’m glad he did (Thanks Doug). If you put little effort or make excuses on why you don’t have the time or couldn’t get tasks done not only you will loose out the entire mess will. If you only learn 1 thing let it be this, if we work together as a mess we can accomplish many great things. With one voice we are heard loudly and people listen but if we try to speak by ourselves only those close to us can hear what we have to say.

[OSC David Nolan]

Okay, here is a post from a PCPO who has posted here a few times. What would you do to motivate an individual who has stated that he would like to go through the CCTI however has waited till the last week before the rights to begin signing off his practical factors. I as well as others have attempted to motivate this person in multiple different ways with zero results. As it stands he has received his coin, with what I consider a painfull look from the COTM. Don't get down on the COTM for doing that, because he has attempted to motivate this individual on two seperate ocations. Should he be asked step asside and join another initiation when he is truly ready to participate?

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

David, the CCTI is there for the individual first, then the good of the entire Mess. Those that put forth minimal effort, will reap minimal benifits. That being said, I wouldn't allow a member who failed to complete the MINIMUM requirements stand alongside those that did. Someone who is unwilling to put forth the effort prior to the CCTI isn't going to help us afterwards either. Why cuddle them ? Reinforcing their sloth is only weakening the entire Mess.

[HSC German Plaza]

The board members have suggested that the PCPOs would be an excellent source of new discussion forum members. We ask that you require your PCPOs to post something to the forum as a pre-requisite to the CCTI.

If you are a PCPO and already a member of this forum, we ask that in addition to your post, you ask your sponsor to do the same (assuming he/she is not already a posting member).

Plase allow me to introduce myself, I am E-7 German Plaza and I am a new PCPO going through the CCTI process at Alameda. I am looking forward to been indulge from the words of wisdom and participate on this forum. Thank you Honorable Chiefs, Very Honorable Senior Chiefs and Most Honorable Master Chiefs.

[MKC Art Bailly (ret)]

I have noticed several of you PCPO’s have made an improper introduction. When I went threw my CCTI it was
Most Honorable Chief
Most Exalted Senior Chief
And Most Illustrious Master Chief
you all should be finned heavily at your rights of passage

[OSC David Nolan]

Honoroable Chief,

For this CCTI the appropriate prases have been passed as follows:

Honorable Chief
Very Honorable Senior Chief
Most Honorable Master Chier or Your Nine-ness

[Dennis, Randal CPO]

To all Master Chiefs, Senior Chiefs, and Chiefs, both active duty and reserve -My name is PCPO (BM) Randal Dennis, and I, too, have been tasked with becoming a member of this site & submitting a post. That being said, it's not the only reason I am submitting a post, just the most pressing. I am thankful that a shipmate, now a CPO, directed me to this site and charged me with membership. It appears, and I have not had extensive time to delve fully into the forums, that there is vast amounts of experience here from which to draw from. As time is of the essence with my CCTI being on the 12th - 13th of May, it may be only afterward that I will have time to fully participate in the discussions. I look forward to involvement with the members of this site and the CPO mess as a whole.

[OSCS Jimmy D. Belcher]

Randy I thought I was never going to see your post arrive on this board. Welcome to the mess. I am still going to try and find some time to stop in on my way to Juneau next month.

[OSC Jeff Alger]

Honoroable Chief,

For this CCTI the appropriate prases have been passed as follows:

Honorable Chief
Very Honorable Senior Chief
Most Honorable Master Chier or Your Nine-ness

Down here in the Big (Sl)Easy, we've been passed that it's

Most Honorable Master Chief
More Honorable Senior Chief
Honorable Chief

I find it interesting to see the variations throughout the service.

[DCCS Todd Holcomb]

Down here in the Big (Sl)Easy, we've been passed that it's

Most Honorable Master Chief
More Honorable Senior Chief
Honorable Chief

I find it interesting to see the variations throughout the service.

Having just completed the CCTI I find it interesting that the variations within the mess here were just as great as they are throughout service.

Now back on topic. I had veiwed this site a number of times before my initiation, but dared not make a post. I wish I had been charged with doing just that, I agree with Master Chief that face to face is a very important thing and I agree that PCPO's should go out and meet and greet. For those that are in a small mess this can open a whole new world of the mess for them and for those at a bigger mess it can do the same. I don't see any mess doing away with face to face and replacing it with the web. This is a great charge & I think that I may use it.

I would look at making a post on here as an easy charge with a wealth of rewards. I have learned more on here, dealing with todays issues in the CG, than I did from some of my charges.

As said earlier and is the case with the CCTI, you get out of it what you put into it. Even if the PCPO's make a generic post and never another one at least they will have exposure to another group of our 4000 Chief's that they can call on if needed.

Again, just my 2 cents :)
Todd

[BMC Ken Gouge]

Regarding the apropriate titles of address for PCPO's, I think some areas don't like their Senior Chiefs being adressed as "Moron"-orable... Others get a kick out of it

[BMCS Burt Ford]

Ok guys and gals try this. Here in Kodiak, we do not refer to them has PCPO's or E-7s, they are Chiefs during the entire process. How do you feel about that? :confused:

[BMC Chris Gempp]

Burt,
Here in Seattle they are referred to as Chiefs when in a formal setting but during Mess Meetings they are referred to as PCPO's, is that what your saying also?

[BMCS Burt Ford]

Chris they are Chief's everywhere. Formal and informal.

Burt

[BMC Ken Gouge]

Rhetorical question - If they are "Chief's everywhere. Formal and informal." why should they bother going through Initiation...

Ken

[YNC Josh Braarud]

Rhetorical question - If they are "Chief's everywhere. Formal and informal." why should they bother going through Initiation...

Ken

I think that removes quite a bit of the incentive. I consider myself pretty sensitive to modern issues, but that’s even to PC for me.

Until I go through initiation, I’m an E-7 or PCPO, regardless of where I’m stationed. I haven’t fully earned the title of Chief.

[BMC Chris Gempp]

Burt,
Very true, they are Chiefs no matter what, I was just saying that when I went thru CCTI, I was considered a PCPO when dealing with the Mess but a Chief in all other settings, concur with what your saying though

[MKC Tony Balcer]

Here is the way I think it should be. In the Mess PCPO or E-7. Outside of the Mess always Chief. None of the games should be in plain view of anyone other than Chiefs.

IMHO

MKC Tony Balcer
abalcer@cgctahoma.uscg.mil

[BMCS Burt Ford]

Chris, I should have been more clear. During the CCTI, whether informal or formal, with the new chiefs, they are just that, New Chiefs. Nothing else, not PCPO's, E-7s, or the other sometimes used terms. We do not use any thing of that nature here. Sorry for the confusion, I guess I was in a hurry.

[BMC Chris Gempp]

No problems,

[OSC Jeff Alger]

Here is the way I think it should be. In the Mess PCPO or E-7. Outside of the Mess always Chief. None of the games should be in plain view of anyone other than Chiefs.

IMHO

MKC Tony Balcer
abalcer@cgctahoma.uscg.mil

I agree completely.

[BMC Robert Ornelas]

Most Honorable Master Chiefs / Very Honorable Senior Chiefs /Honorable Chiefs:

May I have the Honor of introducing my humble self, I am Perspective Chief Petty Officer Robert Ornelas from Station Grays Harbor. I am currently going through the spring CCTI for ISC Seattle with 16 other brothers and sisters before I head off to jolly ole England :D . The Commandant has selected me to advance to the paygrad of E-7, Whereas I realize Honorable Ones that I am not yet wise enough to be called a CHIEF nor to become a member of the hallowed fraturnity of Chief Petty Officers of the United States Coast Guard, I ask of you and your Honorable brothers and sister to indugle me with teachings from your vast storehouse of knowledge on all worldly things, so that I may be mentally prepared to walk by your side. I also ask that you document charges against my request to become a chief. Honorable Ones would you please do me the honor of making an entry into my charge book via e-mail, so I can network with thee.

VR
//S//

PCPO Robert Ornelas

I make this entry of my own free will, and enjoy the site!

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Robert, welcome to the site....., but one of the first things that your sponsor should have told you was not to solicit for words of wisdom through the computer. Go out, look people in the eye, and offer that greeting. Meet the people that you will be networking with. The grip and grin........OFFER your hand.....then ASK for assistance..........best of luck.

[ETC Tim Beachboard]

Hello all Honorable Chief's and fellow PCPO's. My name is Tim Beachboard and I'm currently going through CCTI here in the DC area. I am in one of the areas that requires it's PCPO's to register and make a post as part of the PQS. So here is my initial thoughts on the subject. Personally, I thing it is good idea. I was originally told of this site by my roommate at the CPO Academy, a frequent poster, BMC John Phillips III. But, to be honest, I forgot aboyt it when I returned to work and didn't bother looking into it until I saw it on my PQS sheet. When I first started logging on, the first thing I noticed was that the same people were carring on the majority of the conversations. But after reading on for a time I began seeing the underlying value of this site, which began to change my view. I don't believe that the majority of the topics really matter, or whether you believe someone is right or wrong on their take on the subject. What I've learned to take from this is that everyone needs to voice an opinion, have the courage to put it out there and be heard by your peers.

Like I said, this is my first post, I most likely won't be a frequent poster but I will add my comments when feel the desire and gladly pass this forum along as a worthy site. The CPO Academy taught me alot, but in the end, it was the networking and bonding that was the real keepsake. I now believe this site has the same potential.

v/r
PCPO Tim Beachboard, NAVCEN Alexandria.

[PACS Steve Carleton]

Tim,

Welcome to the discussion board. As you noted, we like to express our views in full view for the world to see.

Enjoy and learn from the CCTI process, it is something you will never forget.

Anytime, you need anything do not hesitate to contact me, I'm in the Global.

[BMCS Jim Madsen]

Robert, Congtrats and welcome aboard. If you want to dry out for a day, come and see me. I had the pleasure to training in England for a week with the RNLI and visited their facility in Poole prior to it's completion. That should be a great time for you.

Jim

[BMC Robert Ornelas]

Very Honorable BMCS Slesh/ Honorable BMC Madsen

Thank you for welcoming me to the forum. Honorable One I will be in contact.

VR

PCPO Ornelas

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

Welcome aboard Tim.

I'm sure you will post more as time goes on.

[OSC Delain Tate]

Most Honorable Master Chiefs, More Honorable Senior Chiefs, Honorable Chiefs, I'm OSC Delain Tate. I'm a New Chief or PCPO or E7 (Depending on what part of the country your in), although I'm not necessarily new to the CG Chiefs Forum, I was charged with putting a post up in the CCTI Group from my sponsor BMC Burt Ford.

During the last month, I've met a lot of Chiefs, requested a lot of Words of Wisdom, and have drank a lot of coffee :D . Tomorrow is our CCTI, here in Kodiak, and I go through it with 12 other New Chiefs. I'll admit I am a bit nervous about it, but I know I won't be going through it alone.

I would like to send a heart felt thank you, to all my fellow New Chiefs, and the Experienced Chiefs who have helped me over the last few weeks. I've greatly enjoyed the CCTI process thus far, and I look forward to the day when I will be able to participate in the next CCTI.


Sincerely,
Delain Tate

[BMCS Burt Ford]

Delain,
We welcome you to our midst. Great post a I will see you tomorrow!

[DCCS Brett Wickett]

Delain,
welcome aboard enjoy tommorrow, and know it is for you. (and you only have to do it once) ;) Looking forward to many new and inspiring posts from you.

[ETC Pat Kaschube]

Delain
Welcome. Have a great time and get lots of pictures.

[ETC Tim Beachboard]

Honorable SCPO Carleton/ ETC Jester,

Thank you for welcoming me to the forum. I've been seeing more posts from my CPO Academy classmates which encourages me to logon more frequently.

Tim
Class #129

[BMC John Phillips III]

Hey Tim, congrats on your decision to go thru and welcome to the board! Good to see you! You should probably send me a charge sheet or I will be forced to post those pictures of you!

[BMCS Roland Ashby]

I would like to encourage all to make a charge for the PCPOs in your area to sign up and make a post. I get more information for this site than I do anywhere else. Then again I don't have the opportunity to attend a Chief's call more than 2x a year.

[ETC Tim Beachboard]

John,

I have one coming your way. I wouldn't dare insult you by requesting an email version! I stopped by your unit last month while I was visiting our TX sites. I was told you guys had just gotten underway.

As for the pictures. I think you still owe me copies!! Only showing my goodside please.

[BMC John Phillips III]

Tim, you have a good side? The pics I have don't show it! :p

[PACS Steve Carleton]

Tim,

I received your request, you have snail mail on the way.

[ETC Tim Beachboard]

Honorable Senior Chief Carleton,

thank you very much for your words of wisdom. We are required to have atleast one from every rate. I was concerned about the PA rate until I met you.

v/r
PCPO Tim

[LT Arthur Nelson (MKC) (Ret)]

Tim,
What about MU, or IT, or PS? Received any of those sigs yet?

[ETC Tim Beachboard]

Honorable Chief (Mr) Nelson,

I still need MU, PS, GM, and MST.

I haven't made my round of Headquarters yet. I was hoping I could find some of them there.

I've still got one month left, but, I here this is when the time starts flying by.

PCPO Tim

[MSTCS Dave McClintock]

Tim;

Go see the Honorable, Most Honorable Master Chief Diane Lacumsky. She can fix you up for the MST signature. If not, send me a hard charge/words of wisdom sheet to my snail mail address and I will take care of it. Good Luck and have fun at your CCTI!

[SKCM Linda Reid]

MU could definitely be a challenge at HQ! ... the rest ... piece of cake ...

[PACS Steve Carleton]

PCPO Beachboard -- contact MUCS Labradorf at the CG Band. He can take care of you provided he isn't too bus with his Chiefly dutuies.

[ETC Tim Beachboard]

Honorable Senior Chief Carleton,
Thank you for your the words of wisdom I rcvd. (And the exam,,Ouch!!, it's only money right :D )

Honorable Senior Chief McClintock,
Thank you for your suggestion. I will definetely make sure I stop by the Most Honorable Master Chief Lacumsky's office when we go by HQ. I hear rumblings out of HQ that a PCPO sighting is becoming as rare as a Big Foot sighting.

Most Honorable Chief Reid,
Our groug is facing the challege of TISCOM this morning and I'm hoping we will do the same for HQ next week. If we don't do it a group, I'll have to face you on my own!!

Thank you all for your support,
Personnally, I'm having a blast meeting new people and touching base with old friends. I don't know why anyone wouldn't enjoy the experience this CCTI provides.

v/r
PCPO Tim Beachboard

[ETC Pat Kaschube]

Tim
Sounds like you have the right atitude. I had a good time as well. I have put a few of the lessons learned to practice since my CCTI. Get lots of pics.

[MKC Chad L. Royer]

Honorable Master Chiefs, Senior Chiefs, and Chiefs,

May I please have the honor of introducing my humble self. I am Chief Petty Officer Selectee Royer. I have been selected to become a member of the hallowed fraternity of Chief Petty Officers of the United States Coast Guard. Whereas I realize that I am not yet wise enough to be called Chief, I ask of you and your honorable brothers and sisters that you indulge me with teachings from your vast storehouse of knowledge on all worldly things so that I may mentally prepare, and walk near your side.
Honorable ones, I am not here to request words of wisdom or charges, I will do that face to face. In fact i'm currently stationed on the OSAGE with Honorable Senior Chief Deane Smith (My Sponsor), and I am taking the time and effort to meet as many of my future brothers and sisters in person, in fact next week 07FEB07 I wil be traveling to MSO/GRU Philadelphia and on 08FEB07 I will be traveling to Cape May look forwarded to seeing you if you are in the area and read the posts.
I too have been charged to post, but that'll come later. I do agree with charging PCPO's to post here, I started spreading the word as soon as Deane introduced me to it. I look forward to eventually meeting each of you especially Dennis, Stu, Steve, Chris, and even JP3. My CCTI is being held March 15th in Louisville, KY for those that are interested.

Your future brother,
PCPO Chad Royer

[MKC Chad L. Royer]

And now for what I have been charged with...a post as to why I want to be a Chief and what the CCTI means to me. Becoming a Chief is something that I have worked diligently for during my 13 year career in the United States Coast Guard. I believe now that my voice and opinions will be recognized and valued not that I didn't have a voice before, now I have a leg to stand on, and the backing of the MESS. I will be able to make a positive impact on the future of the Coast Guard and the personnel that choose to serve in it. I don’t think of it as a bigger paycheck. I think of it as an opportunity to take on greater responsibility and leadership. It is about taking pride in the work that I accomplish and how others perceive my actions.
What the CCTI means to me both tend to go hand in hand. In my mind I'm not really a Chief until I have accomplished the CCTI. I think of it as a right of passage so to speak. I'm learning alot going through the process, and hope to learn alot more. I will be part of something that I can be proud of, something I did for myself, not for others. I advanced in DEC'05 and have been waiting for the opportunity to participate, I will not waste it. Let me clarify do not read the last sentence as I've just been waiting around, I was unable (isolated duty, dockside, mess kept postponing). I got my foot in the door, now to kick it open and make the most of it.

Chad

[HSC Chris Fly]

Chad,
Having just gone through in the fall, I can say take it as it comes. It's all for a reason, do the best you can and always keep in the back of your mind that you are not going to win no matter what you do! :D

My biggest piece of advice is don't be afraid to give the crap back to them, it makes it a LOT more fun and I think (hope) you become more respected for it.

Good Luck and welcome,
Chris

[ETC John D Zidek]

Tim if you are still looking for the GM's, MST's and PSs come on by Tracen Yorktown we have all 3 and you can't swing a dead rat around here without hitting a couple retired master chiefs.

Good Luck and HAVE FUN. You only get out what you put in.

ETC "Z"
TraCen Yorktown 2M School

[BMC Mitchell Sutherland]

To my Honorable Master Chief's, Senior Chief's and Chief's. I am CPO Selectee Mitchell Sutherland. I have the honor and priviledge of of becoming a member of this hallowed fraternity of Chief Petty Officers on March 15th, being hosted by Sector Ohio Valley. I am still navigating through the site here for the first time and so far been intrigued by the postings...many with a variety of thoughts and opinions on the values, beliefs and knowledge which are an integral part in weaving together our nations most premiere seagoing service.
To me, becoming a Chief is more than wearing an anchor. It denotes devotion to duty in it's highest form. This is NOT just another promotion for me. Today more than ever the Coast Guard requires leadership and decision-making to a new level. And there is no one more ineffectual, than a leader that cannot, or will not make a decision in today's Coast Guard...and I've always wanted to be the one to make the tough decisions.
I look forward to my CCTI, not just as a right of passage but I beleive it will open doors in being part of a "hallowed" brotherhood of which I will ALWAYS be a part of.

[BMC Robert Pritchard]

To my honorable Master Chief's, Senior Chief's, and Chief's my name is CPO Selectee Robert Pritchard. I am new to the site and am still becoming familiar with everything it has to offer. I will be attending the CCTI on 15 March 2007, being hosted by Sector Ohio Valley. I have chosen to become a member of the hallowed fraternity of Chief Petty Officers of the United States Coast Guard. Making Chief to me is not just referred to as another pay grade. It will be one of the biggest hurdles that I have overcome in my career and life in general. To make a difference in this fine military service by the vast knowledge I have gained from all other chiefs that have led me throughout my career is what I will try and bestow on others below me. I understand that I will never have all the answers to every difficult question that may arise, but rest assured with the help of all my honorable brothers and sisters I will come up with a solution. I am proud to be selected to become a chief and will never forget how I was able to achieve this extraordinary feat.

[ETC John D Zidek]

While on your journey don't forget about the retires, as they say, they have been there, but they may have forgotten most of it. :)

We may fire a few rounds over each others bow, but we both know when push comes to shove We Will be there for each other.

Just this morning I went to a retired Master Chief for some direction and guidence. As I expected he pointed out somethings I hadnt seen.

Master Chief Flint, Thanks Again

Your Family now reaches so much further then it ever has before. All E-10s thru E-7s active and retired. This site is another tool in your tool bag. We make an excellent sounding board.

Good Luck and Most importantly HAVE FUN during CCTI!! Attitude is EVERYTHING!! :D

[MKC Gene Sykes]

I have been charged with coming to the Unvarnished Truth and introducing myself. I am PCPO Gene Sykes and will be participating in the CCTI in Louisville, KY on March 15.

I would like to thank More Honorable Senior Chief Smith with charging me with this and opening another avenue to the Mess.

I have had 16 years to consider what making "Chief" means to me. I truely believe it is my duty to help shape the Coast Guardsman of the future by influencing, mentoring, and sharing what I have learned with the Junior Enlisted and Junior Officers, the Chiefs and Commanding Officers of tommorrow.

I look forward to futher contact with my fellow Chiefs in this forum.

Gene

[FSC Chris Stewart]

PCPO Sykes

Welcome to the mess. This process will be trying but fun. It will be what you make of it. Send me a charge sheet. That will be one less you have to get.

FSC Chris Stewart

[OSC William Allen]

PCPO Sykes

Welcome. Have fun and keep an open mind. There is something to learn in everything you do.

Send me a charge sheet.

[MKC Gene Sykes]

Honorable Chief Stewart,

I sent you a charge sheet via e-mail and will follow up with a phone call tomorrow. Thanks for taking the time to help an E-7.

Honorable Chief Allen,

I will e-mail you one and contact you tomorrow. Also thank you for taking the time to help me out.

Thanks again,
PCPO Gene Sykes

[HSC Chris Fly]

PCPO Sykes,
Feel free to send me a charge sheet as well, you never know you may need an HS's signature.... ;)
Chris

[SKC Nelson Fritz]

Good day,
I'm PCPO Nelson Fritz and I wanted to introduce myself to the site. I advanced to E-7 back in June 2006 and I'm going to be participating in the TRACEN Petaluma's Spring 2007 CCTI. I regretfully missed out on last fall's CCTI due to circumstances too numerous and too complicated to list here.
I was told that this will be the most important and memorable events in my career and I plan to make the most of it and maybe have some fun with it as well.

I'm looking forward to all the challenges that await me these next few weeks and getting to know all the Chiefs in my area.

E7 Nelson Fritz

[FSC Chris Stewart]

PCPO FRITZ.

Welcome to the mess. Congrats on making the rank of E7. During your CCTI you will wonder "Why am I do this?" Trust me every they do during the CCTI will have a purpose. It will take a toll on you. Have fun with it its your day. Send me a Charge sheet, it will be one less you have to get.

Good luck and welcome again
Chris