DCC Clyde W. Allen

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

The April 2006 "The Chief" has a write-up about father and son. Three really interesting things for me in the father's article. He lied about his age (16) in order to join the CG and spent his 17th birthday standing duty. He married the woman he would end up spending his life with after knowing her for only ten days. And the COMDT was born while his father was underway.

[BMC John Phillips III]

I think I have been stationed with 5 or 6 guys who could have told the same story :p

[BMCM Deane Smith]

I think I have been stationed with 5 or 6 guys who could have told the same story :p

Great Reading!

John...your statement is a bit confusing. I don't know of any former COMDT's whose fathers were Chiefs. I think that is the important part.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

And I know a couple of people who got married after a couple of weeks........but that's about how long their marriages lasted also.

[DCCS Todd Holcomb]

I don't know the new COMDT personally, so I can't speak about what he did or did not lie about. I do Know, that everyone I have talked to, that does know or has known him, has nothing but good things to say about him. And his dad was a Chief, A DCC :D :D . I have "heard" That he really puts a lot of stock in and cares what the Chiefs have to say. Again,I don't know him just passing what I've been told.
Todd

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Todd, I'm not saying the COMDT lied about anything. I said his father lied about his age in order to join. It wasn't that uncommon at the time. The sense of patriotism was more profound at the time. Our country had just been attacked and people wanted to do their part. And not to pick a fight, but his father only became a DC because the BM rate was frozen. His words, not mine.

[DCCS Todd Holcomb]

Right on Senior Chief, mis-interpretation on my part. BM frozen or not, he was still a DCC. I'm sure once he went to the snipes and became a DC, then he realized his true calling :D :D.

[BMC John Phillips III]

John...your statement is a bit confusing. I don't know of any former COMDT's whose fathers were Chiefs. I think that is the important part.

I don't know of any either, I was referring to the getting married quickly and kid being born while underway (although I was fortunate enough to be there for all four of mine). The post was supposed to be light hearted hence the little guy sticking his tongue out.

But yes, that is a very important part and we will be able see if it makes a difference I am sure.

Hey Todd, don't get your hopes up that DCC's will be receiving any preferential treatment, I am sure the COMDT still knows it's the BM's that run the Coast Guard ;)

[DCCS Todd Holcomb]

John, Come on if we don't have hope what do we have???????????? :D

[LT Arthur Nelson (MKC) (Ret)]

Hmmmm, BM's run the show... who fixes the boats & cutters when drivers break them, who fixes facilities when they need repairing?
Bottom line, engineers run the show, everyone else eithers pays us, feeds us or drives us around.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Art, not to pick a fight....but feeds us, gives us money, or drives us around....sounds like my three year old.

[BMCM Deane Smith]

Hmmmm, BM's run the show... who fixes the boats & cutters when drivers break them, who fixes facilities when they need repairing?
Bottom line, engineers run the show, everyone else eithers pays us, feeds us or drives us around.

LT -

Engineers don't run the show. They help set the show up and help take all the stuff down when the shows over.

[DCCS Todd Holcomb]

I was originally gonna play nice buuuuuuut, as far a "running" things, the BM run the boats aground and the engineers keep them floating and moving and with power and water and sewage and heat and A/C, well you get the point. I will say the deckies usually do a pretty good job keeping it looking pretty (from a distance).

Come on, all you BM's know that we could take all non engineering rates off a cutter, smallboat etc. and the Engineers can still get U/W, I don't think you can take all the Engineers off and be able to get a cutter or ship underway, I would love to see the Ops and Deck Dept doing lightoffs on a 210 or 270. Of course the smallboats well that's a given, but the big boys you need the engineers.

BM's come in handy, all enginers need tool caddy's.


Todd

[BMCS Jim Madsen]

OK, now this is getting funny. I am quite sure that an engineer could get a 210 or 270 U/W, but the real question is, can they get it moored? I personally love having engineers to fix things when I break them.
250 lb Gorilla.

[DCCS Todd Holcomb]

We don't need to moor it we will just anchor and run the smallboat in and out, since we can fix that too. Or we just give it a shot and again fix it if we miss the mark.

[MSTCM Jerald Motyka]

You guys are rich!!

Eventually you will realize that the only reason you guys exist is to support Marine Safety!!! We always need boat rides to do inspections and fixers to take care of our trailers... :p

[ETC Pat Kaschube]

Come on, all you BM's know that we could take all non engineering rates off a cutter, smallboat etc. and the Engineers can still get U/W, I don't think you can take all the Engineers off and be able to get a cutter or ship underway, I would love to see the Ops and Deck Dept doing lightoffs on a 210 or 270. Of course the smallboats well that's a given, but the big boys you need the engineers.

Might need the snipes to do lights offs and wipe oil and yes they can probably saw their way through a mooring line but once they get the boat underway then what. Not like they can do anything with it. Might be able to sail around in a circle or something. And where are they going to tie up at they will have destroyed the pier when they left. :D

[BMCM Deane Smith]

So...when the main space catches on fire...is that the BM's fault also?

On my most recent u/w trip, I had a steering casualty. I suppose it was my fault that the pin was incorrectly installed and none of the engineers found the problem until it didn't work.

We can play this game all day...but, I think some of you have some PMS to do. Git R' Done!

[DCCS Todd Holcomb]

We don't have time for PMS we are to busy fixin' broken $hit, and yes I would say the OIC is ultimately responsible so it's your fault :D

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

You guys are funny, no really. But Todd you got it right. The IC in OIC stands for in change. We are ultimately responsible for everything. And if the engineers did their job I could get underway and get back to port without them. Still won't want too. You guys are just too damn funny, I like havin' ya around just for the laughs.

[BMC John Phillips III]

what did I start, I was just giving the DCC a hard time about his obvious excitement about the COMDT'S dad being a DCC, but you guys took it to a whole other level!

Jerald, you continuously blow my mind with your comments, thanks for the entertainment! This is the first one you made where I knew you were joking, but still blew my mind that you would be brave enough to open yourself up to the wolves. I guess even wolves sometimes let the easy kills go.

[LT Arthur Nelson (MKC) (Ret)]

It's all good fun. As with anything operational within our small CG community, it shows everyone relies on everyone to get the job accomplished.
Don't sweat the small stuff like engineers still run the show no matter what you say :)

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

I guess De Nile isn't just a river in Egypt.....

[BMCS Burt Ford]

Its also nice having around when the crapper craps out Stu!

[MSTCM Jerald Motyka]

JP-III, if I had problems with thin skin, I would have gotten the heck out over a decade ago. Man, the way I originally got on here, with thin skin, I would have been left broken and bleeding on the banks of the river with all my "CCTI is stupid" stuff! I've been a duck-scrubber for a dozen years, and have had some real masters try to get my goat... and you MST-wannabes just don't have what it takes to upset me about who really runs the Coast Guard. :D

With stuff like "which rating is better", we all know it's in good fun, so I just like to stir the pot.

[ETC Pat Kaschube]

What's an MST? Never saw one on any of my four cutters. Must have missed that one on the serivcewide? :p

[MSTCM Jerald Motyka]

Well, I always kinda thought of it as, "'Missed Salting' Technician", or "Moored in the Sand Technician"!!

In my FOUR DAYS of rated underway time, it was a whole lot of fun - but nothing that I'd wanna do for years at a time. I had a year and a half underway as a non-rate, and got my fill... :D

[ETC Pat Kaschube]

Well, I always kinda thought of it as, "'Missed Salting' Technician", or "Moored in the Sand Technician"!!

In my FOUR DAYS of rated underway time, it was a whole lot of fun - but nothing that I'd wanna do for years at a time. I had a year and a half underway as a non-rate, and got my fill... :D


Nice. Then again I never went to ET school. Spent a year in beautiful San Diego at ST school. I know I'm getting older when people ask me what an ST is or was.

[CWO Keith Wilbee (DCCS)]

I gotta remember that one Jerald. AN E-7 that is in the Prevention Department with me just made it. Maybe I'll have to start using the "Moored in the Sand" Line on him during his CCTI. He made it Sept 1st. A whopping 9 years of service.

[CWO Keith Wilbee (DCCS)]

And on another note: I am of the thinking of " Every Rate in the CG is a good rate" the only person running the CG is the Commandant. Every single person in our organization plays a critical role. I chose to be a DC, and the best DC I can be. I could have been a BM, like the BM3, BM1, And BMC and a BMCM that tried to talk me into being a BM, back in the beginning. I was also nudged to be a Gunners Mate, when I mentioned that I might be an AM, the BM's started shunning me. I love guns. I also like to do what I'm good at, which before the CG was construction, welding. Now I like being a Chief!
Im also thinking Ill go eat another chili dog, theres enough hotdogs to go around.

[MSTCM Jerald Motyka]

Keith, I gotta agree. I may give out a ration of crap to other ratings, but it is in full expectation to have that ration caught and tossed right back at me. :D

It's funny, you see these third classes and how a sizable minority are ticked off and hate their ratings... but you look at a Chief or above, and all you see is gleaming eyes when a "problem" comes in that is rating specific...

An MKCS when someone calls to say the '47 lost an engine and Katrina is on the way... or a BM when the SAR alarm goes off... or even an MST when a call comes in about a screwed up shipping container...

The eyes glaze over a bit, and the mind starts working over how they can start to mitigate the situation before it is a full blown disaster...

I've seen a lot in the Guard - but I've never seen a Chief that hated their rating. A JOB perhaps, but not their rating.

[SKC Raymond Kurtz (Ret)]

Hmmmm, BM's run the show... who fixes the boats & cutters when drivers break them, who fixes facilities when they need repairing?
Bottom line, engineers run the show, everyone else eithers pays us, feeds us or drives us around.

You're all wrong. It's the Storekeepers that run the show. Have fun trying to buy something without us pencil pushers around.

[ETC Pat Kaschube]

I spent down to 99.83% of my budget, ordered numerous XB items, managed our own property in Oracle and OM&S inventory in CMPLUS using the new symbol barcode scanner all without an SK. A small inventory of only 498 items were FUIRP'd in 4hours while another unit nearby with five SK's and only a slightly larger inventory took two days. Hmmmm. Just give me the money and let me go. Of course I'd rather not have to do all that with ET's and IT's if I could get a single SK2. Unless I could get another ET2 to train.

[BMC James M. Clark]

You're all wrong. It's the Storekeepers that run the show. Have fun trying to buy something without us pencil pushers around.

Oh, I can order all kinds of things without an SK. It's when you pencil pushers do come around and start whispering the "R" word that things go awry... :D

[SKC Ronald Brumble]

I spent down to 99.83% of my budget, ordered numerous XB items, managed our own property in Oracle and OM&S inventory in CMPLUS using the new symbol barcode scanner all without an SK. A small inventory of only 498 items were FUIRP'd in 4hours while another unit nearby with five SK's and only a slightly larger inventory took two days. Hmmmm. Just give me the money and let me go. Of course I'd rather not have to do all that with ET's and IT's if I could get a single SK2. Unless I could get another ET2 to train.

So, your the only ET in the coast guard with a Contract Warrant eh. Well, I'm impressed. Either that or you have a credit card and micro purchased your whole budget. ;) Oh, and why did it take the SK's two days. They did it right. LOL, Just kidding.. :p

OH, and my two cents on running a boat. Just let me contract a bunch of retired Coasties and I'll have the boat running just fine. Right Ray!!! :D :D

I'd bet that I could find a PA to give someone else credit for it also.

[ETC Pat Kaschube]

Well the SK's do keep us out of trouble with the folks that give us the money. Still would rather have either another ET2 to train as a Supply PO or an SK2 to give all the admin stuff to. And everything we bought was under 2500.00 except for XB items or CASREP funded items.
For the love of money is the root of all evil right? Or is it the management of money. :rolleyes:

[SKC Ronald Brumble]

I would lean to the management of money. sigh, that is what I do now


But, as was stated earlier. No Cheif hates his rate. Maybe the job, but not his rate. :D