Stay Chief Or Go Warrant

[LT Arthur Nelson (MKC) (Ret)]

I'm going to raise this issue again. I searched the previous threads and couldn't find the original one & due to not having a chance to post my view on the original post, because at the time I couldn't be a member of the board.
It's too bad I couldn't locate the original thread because I recall a lot of great discussions, both pro & con.
Plus now, this site gets a lot more viewers and there are additional new Chiefs and potential E5/E6 wanna be Chiefs with career decisions looking into the future to make.
Bottom line is it's a personal call; what do you want to strive for? I hope every career enlisted member's goal is to make E7. Making E7 and then being initiated into the CHIEF's mess willbe the most memorial day in your career. That's a fact.
Now, afterwards, what to do, what to do... stay Chief, or continue advancing?

I was eligiable for E8 when I made the cut for Warrant; big call. Looking at the career path I wanted - I chose Warrant. I already had three EPO jobs under my belt and wanted more. Not as an E8 serving at MLC or as the MKCS on a 378 or Red One. Don't get me wrong, I have 17 years sea time including three 378's.
In fact, accepting Warrant my dream sheet listed a couple of 378's as MPA. But I wanted afloat EO most.
As a Warrant, my command one day commented to me "why not apply for CWO to LT program?" At that time, I had never even thought of it. But I thought "why not, won't cost me anything but a little of my time getting my package ready."

Look, bottom line is - what do YOU want. Yea we can banter all day about staying Chief or going CWO. Either way is great and are well deserved.

[BMC James M. Clark]

I'm a Surfman, but believe it or not, I want to go back to sea someday. I just passed the OIC review board for MM ashore and afloat. I felt confident about the ashore, afloat was a gamble (gut feeling was I wouldn't get that one). Until I received the afloat qual (and back as far as when I was an E-6), I intended to put in a package for Warrant or OCS, simply because I figured there was a better chance of returning to sea by that route. Now I figure there is a good chance I could get my own Patrol Boat as an E-8 or E-9, and that is much more attractive than 1st LT on a big whatever. Although those cruise ships to McMurdo do sound fun...

A couple of months ago, I was going to put in a Warrant package, ride that out, and put in for LT if and when I was elegable. But then, I really like the way those anchors look on my collars, and the jobs I want may be available if I stay enlisted. Both avenues have attractions, and I need to sit down again and figure out which path is best for me.

[BMCS Dennis Endicott ret]

http://cgchiefs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26

I believe that is the thread to which you referred.

[ETCS John Johnson]

This is my first post on the forum. I've been a "lurker" on the site for quite a while, but this topic really hits home with me because its a decision I'm facing right now. Its probably one of the hardest decisions I've had to make in my career.

I'll most likely take Warrant in June. I guess the part that pushed me in that direction is the opportunity for advancement. If I stay E8, the only path I can take is to Master Chief. I'd love to be an E9, but the billets for an ETCM are not that great. By taking Warrant, it opens up my chances to advance in other directions. I'm obligated for at least 6 more years because I'm currently in the ACET program finishing up my BS degree. The possibility exists for me to try the CWO to LT route in a couple of years, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

[MKC Art Bailly (ret)]

Well I guess if I HAD to make a choice I’d go Warrant. Reason being is that there are a lot more desirable jobs to pick from then E-8. I’m not like the majority on this one. I’m going to stay a Chief until I retire. Think what you want but my reason for choosing not to advance any further are that I’m tired of moving, I want to stay in Alaska (1 E-8 and 4 Warrant Jobs), My kids are at the age that I want to do more things with them, ( im sure everyone cane relate to missing birthday’s, Christmas, anniversary’s, school plays and the list goes on). This June will be the first time in 5 years where we have been able to take a vacation as a family. I lost 17 days of leave last year. For me it goes even further then advancing. I’m at the point in my life were its coming down to I’ve made my last move and I’m not moving again unless I choose to move. I’ve completed most of my goals for retirement and my family has stood by me and made there sacrifice willingly and said they will continue to follow and support me in what ever I decide to do. It's time to start putting the family first and that’s what I have decided to do. It’s not all about making rank and advancing anymore. There’s more to life then money and I’m making pretty good money where I’m at now and don’t need to make anymore then I am now to be happy. I need to concentrate on family now to be happy. So I’ll stay Chief and be happy to retire in a few years. It doesnt make me any less of a Coastie then anyone else. It just means that I have chosen a different path to go down then others by looking at my family's and my needs

[LT Arthur Nelson (MKC) (Ret)]

Senior Chief Johnson, welcome to the board. Now you can stop lurking...
Sounds like you know what you what to do and best of luck.

Art, you too know what you want and what is best for the family.
Hope you find your dreamspot there in Alaska to settle in after retireing.

[ETCM Joseph Harold]

I choose the road less traveled... ... and that has made all the difference.

[MSTCS Jerald P. Motyka]

From the time I came in, I have intended to go Warrant.

Now that I'm testing for Senior Chief, and been laughed at for my pre-board scores twice... I am looking hard at the money.

If I go Warrant now, it will mean no change in pay from Senior Chief. Then, comparing the differences between CWO3/CWO4 and Master Chief, it is only a small pay raise... HOWEVER, it means being FORCED to stay in several years more than I could if I compete for (and make!!) Master Chief. I don't like being FORCED to do anything... I'm all about options.

It doesn't really mean that much, though. I set my career goals to include making Chief. I did that. Now, everything is frosting.

Damn, but I love frosting!! Maybe some day I'll have frosting with a couple stars - and a CMC badge... hmmmmm, frosting!

[YNC Josh Braarud]

I choose the road less traveled... ... and that has made all the difference.

I'm with you. I've looked at the Personnel Warrant jobs and know a few who've gone that route.

No way.

[SKCM Linda Reid]

I knew Josh was a keeper!

[SKC Eric S. Highland]

I choose the road less traveled... ... and that has made all the difference.

What a great post! Simple, straight, and so much said with so few words. Obviously I realize this is a use of another's quote to make a point... but a quote well chosen.

I am personally all for sticking out the Senior Enlisted.. but it is truly up to the individual. If I were staying in the CG I would surely stay the 8 and 9 route.. but I will be out at 20. I have other plans and aspirations.

v/r

[YNC Josh Braarud]

I knew Josh was a keeper!

Thanks, Linda.

[LT Arthur Nelson (MKC) (Ret)]

By now, we've seen the 07 CWO list. Congratulations to all who made the cut.
Chief Sparkman, well deserved placing #3.
BTW, I'll see ya next week when I am up there with the contractors.

[ETC Pat Kaschube]

This is a tough call and something I haven't decided on yet either. E8 E9 billets for ET's are less than desirable yet ELC Warrants rarely seem to be that happy. If I go for E8 that pretty much would limit me to a Polar Roller if I go Warrant I can get back on a 378. Hmmm. Still thinking and not leaning either way.

[LT Arthur Nelson (MKC) (Ret)]

Funny, because all the [limited] ELC Warrant's I've known seem happy with their jobs. CO's of ESD's, Lorans... even on the ships they liked their duties.

[CWO Chris Sparkman (BMC)]

Thanks LT. Waiting anxiously for the advancement/cut message to come out. It's always nice to have choices! Time is running short, 14 days goes by fast! What to do, where to go, how will it all work out? Well that lasted about 24 hours of head spinning trauma :eek: I'll keep it to the basics and take it day by day.
CS

[BMC Trent Spiroff]

So what’s it going to be?

Now that it's going on the end of week two, after receiving the "email" from the AO, I assume we're running out of time before our jobs show up on DA.

I didn’t expect to be above the predictor, and have my current job shopped this early. I was hoping to have a little more time to think the options/choices in life. Does anybody know when they’re going to shop jobs for those in the predictor range? It was recommended that I submit an e-resume, even though I'm not tour complete, in the event I don't get picked up for warrant, as my current job will more than likely already be filled.

I’m still on the fence on which way to go. At this point in my career, it’s a matter of what type of jobs I want vice financial gain. I’d have to stay for 30 yrs for any financial difference between enlisted and warrant with E8/CWO2 and E9/CWO3 pay being comparable. Staying enlisted, I know what I’ll be doing for the next ten years. Going Warrant opens up a whole new realm of possibilities. Being low on the list, limits options for my first CWO tour.

Gotta love the pressure.

To bad it doesn’t work like a draft, where you could trade picks with higher listed selectees.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Trent, you might want to look at the 2007 pay scales again, things are very different pay wise .......... Then I would go to the PACAREA lifer list and guess how many of those BMCMs are planning to stick around for four years or more. And remember '08 might drop 6 of them back into the rate.....

[BMC John Phillips III]

From what I have heard there are more changes on the way, not just pay scale. Something like limiting your time in to apply from 12-18 years. I am not sure if that's exactly right, but maybe one of the Warrants out there that got the force notes can correct me if I am wrong.

[MKC Craig Thorngren (Ret)]

Trent,
If your above the "predictor" than yes your job will be shopped. I Received an email from my detailer explaining that to me. The only way not to have your position not shopped was to immediately make notifications IAW the PERSMAN. Keep in mind that different detailers may do things differently, I can only tell you what the MK detailers explained to me. Though I haven't seen it written anywhere, I think it's also to discourage people from turning down CWO if they don't like what their first assignment is going to be. It only gets more complicated if they already have someone ordered in to fill your spot and you decline CWO, so the easy thing is to transfer you out and someone else in...

Craig

[DCCS Brett Wickett]

Craig, are you saying that if you are outside the cut but inside the predictor and not tour complete they will shop your billet? The predictor is just that, not a garuntee. So what if they order someone in to you job and then don't go to the predictor? You loose, your short toured and you have no billet because they were banking on you making CWO. I don't know, I am just asking. I just don't know how they would or could shop your billet if your promotion to CWO was not garunteed. Anyone know the real story, not saying your story is wrong Craig.

[BMCM Deane Smith]

I would assume that if they'reshopping your job, they might know how deep they are going. They won't fill your job unless they know you are leaving.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

I know I've said this before but, ..... look at what kind of jobs you want to fill. That was the advice that I was getting when it was my turn to make the choice. If you're going to have to fill billets that you aren't going to enjoy, will you stick around for the time required to make W4 ? I know all the rates offer different opportunities but, just with BMs; if you've already certified ashore and afloat, and will be wanting to get command postions, I'd say stay enlisted. As an OinC you never have to do the "pay back tour". As a 9 the breakdown goes something like 50% OinC afloat, 25% OinC ashore, 25% ...other. As a Warrant, there's a higher % of other. If that's what you want, or if it's the opportunities to experience new things, I'd go with Warrant.
If you're thinking I'll take Warrant and hope for a 378 tour so I can get recommended for command and eventually screen and get picked up and get my own 110 or possibly even a 175 and get to spend a couple of years doing what I've always enjoyed before having to take another pay back desk job......... You may be pinning your hopes to one long run on sentence.
Go with your gut.

[BMC Trent Spiroff]

Good point Stu on your last post. Thanks.

As for the billet shop and fill – I don’t know if all positions are shopped this early. There are billets that can’t go unfilled such as command. More than likely everyone above the predictor will get picked up, but there’s no guarantee.

[MKC Craig Thorngren (Ret)]

Brett,
That's exactly what I'm saying. Here's a copy of the email I received from my detailer:

Hello prospective Chief Warrant Officer,
Congratulations on your name appearing above the forecast (predictor) on the Eligibility List for Appointment to Warrant Grade.

At this point in the process the Coast Guard assumes that you will be accepting appointment to CWO if offered. If this is not the case then you need to send a message to CGPC (opm), info CGPC (epm), requesting your name be removed from the Final Eligibility List IAW PERSMAN Art 1.D.10.c to request removal from the list ASAP.

If you are in receipt of this email your billet will be placed on the AY07 Shopping List (even if you are not tour complete in AY07).

If you are not tour complete and decline appointment after assignments have already been made, you will not be able to remain in your current billet and you should expect reassignment. If you decide to decline appointment to Chief Warrant Officer late in the season due to personal reasons or you are offered an undesirable position, your choices for reassignment within the enlisted assignment process may be limited regardless of your assignment priority.

You will find this mirrors the relationship between the enlisted advancement system and enlisted assignment system that you are familiar with.

This e-mail should not be interpreted as notification that you will definitely be making CWO. It is only to inform you of the action taken by the MK assignment officers based on where you stand in reference to the (revised) predictor to ensure positions remain filled.

Thank you all, and again, congratulations


My situation is a little different because I'm at a one year isolated billet, so it gets shopped each year. What he is willing to do is allow me to relocate with my wife and recompete as a priority 1 in 2008. I can really see both sides of the situation. I think the biggest thing you can do to help your situation is contact your detailer and get his/her take on it. Mine has been keeping me informed and reduced alot of the stress associated with this.

Craig

[DCCS Brett Wickett]

I guess is all I can say is wow. I was not asking because it pertained ot me. Just asking for generalities. I guess if a person is in that predicament, below the cut-above the predictor, and not tour complete they really have something else to think about. If you decide to wait on the appointment, they shop your billet and then they don't pick you up you are kinda hanging out in left field when it comes to finding a different enlisted billet. I wonder how often they really don't make it to the predictor. I would assume that they don't leave people hanging very often. I guess I learned something.

[S/A Gerald Griner (PSC)]

Besides getting the servicewide 2.2 % payraise, Warrants are getting about a 8.3% raise come next April 1st.

No, not an April Fool's joke.

Another reason to consider going Warrant Officer. :)

[OSC Chris Westerdahl]

I am sitting in a situation where I am above the predictor for Warrant and am really hoping to pick it up. I have only 15 years in. With the E-8 E-9 getting tighter in my rate (not an excuse I know) The logical progression for me is Warrant. Then maybe the Warrant to LT program. Even if this does happen I will always have the Anchor on me.

[ETC Emiliano Acuna]

This is a tough call and something I haven't decided on yet either. E8 E9 billets for ET's are less than desirable yet ELC Warrants rarely seem to be that happy. If I go for E8 that pretty much would limit me to a Polar Roller if I go Warrant I can get back on a 378. Hmmm. Still thinking and not leaning either way.
I hear ya brother... I put on Cutterman at the 11 year mark. I like going afloat, but have NO desire to do it as a CWO... I could put on Warrant by 16 years. Plenty of time to make CWO4 or LT... Beside $, the only reason to go CWO for me is Command Ashore at an isolated Loran Station. I can put on OINC as a Chief, but not as a Senior or Master. Too bad they dont let Masters compete for CO of an Isolated Loran Station.
For ET's, the billet structure is decent for CWO's... For E-8's it is acceptable. To put on ETCM, you really have to want 2 stars. There are CWO billets that could justify an E-9 biilet. And perhaps in the future a E-9 or CWO ESD Supervisor could happen.
To bad I dont like the Norfolk area. As an ET, I could put in a whole career there. :eek:

-Emo

[OSCS Chase Kempf]

Looking at the April 2007 pay table a CWO3 makes more money then an E-9 until the 26 year mark (250 DOLLARS MORE), at the 26 year mark an E-9 makes 62 dollars more then a CWO3 and 700 dollars less then a CWO4.

E-7 thru E-9’s are the ones mentoring the young enlisted force and grooming the Coast Guard Officers.

It’s a lot more difficult to make E-9 then to make CWO, but we will continue to loose good enlisted to the officer core because of the difficulty to make
E-9 and less pay.

In my mind an E-9 @ 30 years should receive the same amount of pay as a CWO4 @ 30 years.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Chase, one of the things that you have to remember is that the pay scale is for all of the services. Other branches that have CWOs can't seem to keep their CWOs to stick around. I heard talk that the Coast Guard was going to ask for a bump in the amount of 8s and 9s we can have. I heard they were going to ask for 1.5% for 9s. See waiting to see if anything shakes out with that.

I'd be curious to know the percentage of CWOs that actually stick around long enough to make W-4. Also curious to know the percentage of W-4s that stick around until 30.

[SKC Ronald Brumble]

I'm goin' Warrant, :D


Sorry Guys, well, not that sorry really, :p But sorry guys

[OSCS Chase Kempf]

Stuart,
I realize that the services are different and they also start at CWO1, but what is the incentive to strive for E-9?

[BMCM Deane Smith]

but what is the incentive to strive for E-9?

Chase...While looking at the Master Chief Petty Officer Insignia, read the following and ask yourself...What other possible incentive would you need?

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Master Chief Petty Officer (E-9): The role of the Master Chief Petty Officer (E-9) is that of the senior enlisted technical or specialty administrator within a rating. The Master Chief Petty Officer is the senior enlisted grade in terms of military, technical, supervisor, and administrative responsibility and expertise. The primary responsibility is to bring to bear the extensive training, knowledge, and experience in providing senior level enlisted supervision and administration to the entire rating, thereby ensuring maximum efficiency of the work force and equipment assigned in the effective accomplishment of the function and task for which the immediate organization is responsible. A Master Chief Petty Officer is responsible for organizing, directing, and coordinating the various programs implemented for the purpose of instruction and supervision of subordinates. In units or at activities where the situation requires, the Master Chief Petty Officer, in addition to his/her normal functions, supplements the officer corps in the overall supervision and administration of personnel and equipment associated with the functioning of the organization to which assigned, whether or not related to a rating. In addition to functioning with a specialty as described, the Master Chief Petty Officer can also be expected, when so assigned, to be capable of functioning effectively outside a particular area of the rating in areas of leadership, administration, and supervision, as a senior enlisted advisor for the command in which serving in matters concerning enlisted personnel.

[BMC John Phillips III]

BMCS Smith, that's a pretty good reason.

I would like to be a Master Chief someday, but I have to tell you that the money is more important to me - to my family. The seperation in pay, as Chase brought up, isn't going to do anything but get bigger in my mind. Right now I am approaching my thirteen year mark. Time for me to make a decision and I have sort of.... See I believe that everywhere I go and every turn my career takes is for a reason. Anyway, I applied for Warrant, but I am also going to participate in the May SWE for E8. I always like to have a plan B, I am just not sure which is plan A or B.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

Chase, echoing Deane, and adding, .....it all depends on what you want to do right now, and how long you plan on sticking around. I looked at the billets that I wanted, and all but five of them were 8 and 9 billets. I also thought about if I'd stick around if I got a billet I didn't like. I looked at how long it would take me to make W-4 as opposed to how long it would take me to make 9.
Money will always be a factor, but job satisfaction was my deciding factor. People will tell you they went Warrant for alot of different reasons. People stay enlisted, because that's what they want to do, that's where they're happy.

[CMC Bruce Bradley]

Well it all depends of if you want to be called "MASTER" or "Sir". Your choice as the pay is close to the same much anymore these days. But I think that Master Chiefs get a bit more respect across the boards. But then again I am a bit bias on the topic.

[OSCS Chase Kempf]

Thanks for the responses, I've already made my decision.

I believe the choice is a personal one and many factors weigh in on the decision. As a MC once told me it doesn't matter if one goes Warrant or stays enlisted because both give you an opportunity to improve the Coast Guard.

Of course I still plan on giving the CWO's a hard time for selling out, its more fun that way.

I'm the next OSCS to advance!

Chase

[ASTC Ronny German]

Well it all depends of if you want to be called "MASTER" or "Sir". Your choice as the pay is close to the same much anymore these days. But I think that Master Chiefs get a bit more respect across the boards. But then again I am a bit bias on the topic.

I'm sure you were just making a joke, but for most other ratings than BM and MK, it is not a matter of what you want to be called but a matter of jobs available at the E-8 and E-9 level.

As much as I love my current job and rating , if I were to advance to E-8 the choice of billets goes down considerably (around 8), and E-9 narrows it down to 5 billets in three locations (unless I decide to go out of rate, which is certainly an option I am considering). Warrant opens the door for hundreds of billets in locations around the world. For me I will attempt to be above the cut for both and hopefully weigh my options when presented to me.

I used to look at the pay scale and use it to guide my decision making, but at this point in my life, it is more important for me to choose quality of life for my family than solely seeking out monetary compensation regardless of the "job satisfaction" or lack of.

If I were a BM, it would be a no brainer for me and would certainly strive for Master Chief.

[DCCS Todd Holcomb]

I'll throw my .02 in. My rate has 17 DCCS's as per our most recent RFMC notes and 8 DCCM's.

I'm next in line for DCCS so that is a no brainer, I will however put in for CWO again and see what happens, then I'll make my decision.

Right now I would rather be at the top of this pile!! But who knows what life circumstances lie ahead. If it were solely for the money or billet choices then yes I would definetly go CWO, but as many have said it come down to what makes one happy.

I have talked to many who say going CWO was the best decision they ever made but I have talked to just as many who said they wish they would've stayed enlisted.

I'll see when and if the time ever comes but right now, today I am striving to be one of the 8 DCCM's in the CG.

Besides, retired pay at 30 yrs(my goal), the difference between a CWO4 and Master Chief just isn't enough for me to want to deal with the wardroom stuff.
:D
Todd

[CMC Bruce Bradley]

Damn Ronny I had no idea that there were that many billet for an ASTC who goes CWO. But tuthfully your arguement for doing it in your rate is the same that many in the BM and MK world also use. All of our rates have the pyramid that gets smaller and smaller as we near the top.

I think Todd already said it above, it's whatever makes you happy. But I will stand by my observation that a MCPO is more respected and treated better that a CWO, espicially by the senior Officer Corp.

And yes it is a matter of what you want to be called. Afterall you make a decision to go one way or the other.

[DCCS Brett Wickett]

For me I like the jobs much more as a CWO, well locations. As with all rates the top is very small and the billet choices IMO suck for 8 and 9 DCC's with the exception of maybe two,(again locations). I put in for CWO twice and both times after I applied I hoped I would not get on the list. That was my divining moment, I like being enlisted. I will suffer through the places I will spend my last few years. But I, like Todd wish to be one of the top eight. And Todd I still got my fingers crossed that I am right behind you on the DCCS ladder. Hopefully will know in the next month or so.

[ETC Brian Strattard]

Although I would be proud to be advanced to E-8 or E-9...I just don't see that in my future goals...

I see two scenarios as I am planning on staying til at least 25 years:

1. When I am done with school here I will have 15+ years to stay enlisted and advance twice, maxing out around $5500/mo...

2. I take my degree into the dark side :eek: at O-2 or O-3...and have 15+ years to advance 2-3 times making around $7300/mo and maybe even go further...maybe even talking myself into some more advanced education for my Masters...

By the time I will be in contention for CWO I will be applying for a DCE...so that is not an immediate goal right now...

Either way I see myself making a positive impact on Coast Guard Electronics...but I see myself creating better systems as an engineer than fixing problems as a technician...

[BMCS Ian McVicker]

For me it comes down to 2 things...

1. Billets/Jobs: I much prefer the billets for 8 and 9 than Warrant. Slow advancements and lack of available billets are not issues for us, and I very much prefer the Senior Enlisted side of the house.

2. Wardroom: Pay difference not worth it (lol).

[BMC John Phillips III]

What is a good Marks factor for Warrant? Also, does anyone know the formula to determine your eligibility score? I know it comes out in Feb, but I was curious if anyone knows how to figure it out.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

I was once told that you needed to average all sixes with two sevens to be really competitive for Warrant. As for the formula ? You get so many points for your time as an E-6, and then so much for your time E-7 and above...add in your Marks....then wait for the list. They'll give you a number for the primary and secondly list. Everyone above those submits their package. Then you wait again. It doesn't matter if you can figure out what your initial numbers are going to be. The number that you need changes every year. Sometimes a little,...sometimes alot. It's not like the SWE stats. Those don't really change much from year to year. I've seen the BOSN numbers jump like fifty points from one year to the next.

[HSC Chris Fly]

I was looking at my CWO PDE on DA and noticed they have a "credible sea time" factor. They have my time correct as far as me being an HS, but I have a further 3 yrs u/w as an ET that is not being accounted for. I'm wondering if this correct. What is considered "credible sea time"?
Chris
I need all the help I can get for points! (if it counts?)

[MSTCS Jerald P. Motyka]

The points for time in grade are:

One point for each month as an E-6, to a max of 100 points.
Two points for each month as an E-7 or above, to a max of 175 points.
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Don't get me started on the marks... it is a very sore topic for me. :mad:

[BMC John Phillips III]

Chris, double check the msg, but I am pretty sure that they are referring to the amount of required seatime in rate to make warrant.

On a side note and this was probably just a glitch or mistake, the scores were available for a short time yesterday in direct access but then quickly removed. I know it is a live score and subject to change, but it's just funny that they would be there then not. Anyone here see or hear about that happening?

[MSTC M McElney]

My score was there in the morning and then magically disapeared. Kind of a bummer, most people didn't get to see theirs so their is no one to compare my score with.

[DCCS Todd Holcomb]

Chris,

I may be mistaken but I think that credible seatime is only sea time as an E-6 and above just like the other points.

Todd

[HSC Chris Fly]

That would make total sense why my ET time was not on there.
Thanks!