TEMPSEP for a job

[BMCS Burt Ford]

Do you know about this. I did not so I thought I would share it.


From: Hinds, Robert AVI4
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:23 AM
Subject: RE: Employment opportunity that I've been asked to forward


LCPOs, I'm confident our kinder/gentler civilian job referrals (looking out for our people) will continue to result in high overall retention rates and a highly dedicated workforce. Just a reminder - Please encourage high performing mars, with 6 yrs+ TIS, who are determined to separate, to request a TEMPORARY SEPARATION (TEMPSEP) iaw with PERSMAN. The policy, similar to release for Care of Newborn child, allows mbrs to rtn to the CG at their present rtg/pg within two years of separation. History has proven that MANY separating mbrs find the grass in not always greener on the outside (e.g. my 89 day RELAD Dec 80). The TEMPSEP is NOT automatic and has to be requested by the mbr, favorably endorsed by the Command, and approved by CGPC (epm-1).

Thanks a bunch.

CWO4 Bob Hinds
Honorary MCPO
CGPC (epm-2)
AET/AST Assignments (E5-E8)
AETCM/AMTCM/ASTCM

[DCCS Todd Holcomb]

That is great info to pass to our stellar members who just have to see if the grass is greener on the other side. I'll pass it on.


On another note how does one become an Honorary MCPO :confused: ? I saw a few Air Force members at the CPOA in my class given this "status" as Chief's, but "HONORARY MCPO" :mad: what does it all mean? That is just, well, ridiculous. No doubt in my mind CWO4 is an outstanding member within the Coast Guard, but if someone wants MCPO attached in any shape form or fashion to their name, Then go that route, not CWO and then be given "HONORARY" status.

He chose his career path.

Can I be "Honorary Comdt"?

Sorry for the rant and I'm bracing for shock!!!!! :D
My .02

Todd

[BMCM Bruce Bradley]

Burt, thanks for the info. It does sound like an outstanding program.idea to plant in the minds of those looking for a better thing out of blue.

A few years ago at the CPOA Convention we had the pleasure of having the boss, the SecTrans Mineta speak at the dinner. He was given an Honorary advancement and the certificates for Chief Petty Officer. But we make him a Chief even though he was the bosses boss. So like Todd I'm wondering how you become an Honorary MCPO? I wish I considered it ridiculous, but more of a slap. But then again who know our flying brothers and sisters are doing late at night in the hanger...

[BMCS Nick Pupo]

I'd heard of this for the first time about 8 months ago. Now everybody who is planning on getting out, I try to ensure that they know of this option.

Im with Todd and Bruce, how does this "honorary MCPO" thing happen. Do you take an "Simulated SWE"??

[ETCM Joseph Harold]

CWO4 Bob Hinds
Honorary MCPO
CGPC (epm-2)
AET/AST Assignments (E5-E8)
AETCM/AMTCM/ASTCM

Maybe since he is the detailer for the airdale E9s? The fact is he never wore an anchor. Made W2 from E6. :D

[BMCM Deane Smith]

Im with Todd and Bruce, how does this "honorary MCPO" thing happen. Do you take an "Simulated SWE"??

It must be quite significant...it's on his email signature????

[BMCM Deane Smith]

I knew that you could get out under the CNC policy, but I hadn't heard of being able to just get out for up to 2 years and then come back in when the civilian jobs aren't working out. So, I went to the PERSMAN and looked it up again. Here's what I read about Temporary Seperation:

Under this policy, career oriented officers and enlisted members are allowed a one time seperation from AD for up to 2 years to either:

a. Care for newborn child

b. allow members to pursue personal interests that are restricted by continuing on active duty, i.e. education.

Maybe I've mis-read the honorable Master Chiefs email, but how does getting a civilian job qualify under this policy.

Am I misreading something? Have I misread this entire thread? Are we not talking about someone getting out to get a job?

[BMCS Jim Madsen]

I think the caviat here is "personal interests that are restricted by continuing on active duty". Some folks education might be hampered by being in the Coast Guard. Certainly that 100% tuition assistance could cause a problem. Seriously, I CAN understand that. Not everyone can be stationed at ANT Kennewick ;) . As far as getting out to get a job, maybe someone wants to be a porn star and can't wait till retirement because there would not be a large market for someone at that age. That could be a personal interest that would certainly be "restricted by continuing on active duty." :eek:

[BMCM Bruce Bradley]

Thanks Deane for posting the reference since I'm not at work today was wanted to look it up before passing it to the troops. I thought that there might be a little more to it that just the ability to take a 2 year vacation from the uniform. And I think that the letter from the member to CGPC would need to list the reason for TempSep and some sort of proof of the intentions. I think I'll shoo this back up the CMC tree and see what flows down from there.

As for the honorary MCPO, someone please tell me that Joe is wrong in the E-6 statement. It goes from a slap in the face to a kick in the Chiefs Mess butt if someone allows a CWO to claim MCPO status and that"gentleman" never even wore an anchor. Say it ain't so Joe.

[BMCS Burt Ford]

I read that too Deane. But if endorsed by the command, wouldn't some jobs also fall under that? Say as a Policeman or TSA? I think those are two constitute personnel interests.

[BMCM Deane Smith]

I read that too Deane. But if endorsed by the command, wouldn't some jobs also fall under that? Say as a Policeman or TSA? I think those are two constitute personnel interests.

Wouldn't ANY full time job while your employed with the CG be restricting while on AD? I think so.

[ETCM Joseph Harold]

Say it ain't so Joe.

I wish I could say I was kidding... but... a little bird told me...

[BMCS Dennis Endicott (Ret)]

I'd be interested to know if any command favorably endorsed a request like this. I doubt it.

[BMCM Stuart S. Slesh]

I probably would. If the person was dead set on getting out and had the opportunity that wouldn't wait. What kind of an administrative burden would the person become if you denied them the early out ? It's not even like the days of old when someone would threaten to light up on the fantail.......now all they would have to do is get a piercing or tatoo and I have to start discharging them anyway.
Now if you want to argue "Other than Honorable" I'm with you. If they fail to live up to their enlistment for ANY reason, I don't think that they should be given an Honorable Discharge.

[BMCS Burt Ford]

I would have to agree with Stu. I think every request would have to be considered on its own merits.

[SKC Eric S. Highland]

If a person can get out on TEMPSEP in order to "test the waters" so to speak, what is to stop a person from TEMPSEP at 20 yrs and seeing how they fare on the outside and then if they don't like it, coming back in at their previous paygrade and finishing out their 30?

What impact does something like this have on advancements and from a Force Manager's level? That has to play havoc with the system!

On a side note, regarding the "honorary MCPO" status. I don't even think that the title is as much an issue for those of us on the site as the fact that someone who has never worn an anchor (if that is true) should not be authorized to post on the Unvarnished Truth site.

Unless of course I'm wrong about who is authorized to be on here. To me it isn't personal, just business.. no offense intended but if the requirement is an anchor, and there has never been an anchor, then I don't believe there is some strange loophole that allows "honorary" Unvarnished Truth posting privileges.

~stands by for the storm~

v/r

[BMCS Dennis Endicott (Ret)]

Mr. Hinds doesn't post on the board. But, that's an interesting point. I'll bet that sooner-or-later, someone with an honory title is going to want access. I'll guess we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

[ETCM Joseph Harold]

On a side note, regarding the "honorary MCPO" status. I don't even think that the title is as much an issue for those of us on the site as the fact that someone who has never worn an anchor (if that is true) should not be authorized to post on the Unvarnished Truth site.



Eric,

To clarify, someone copied one of his emails onto the board. The Honorary MCPO is not a member of Unvarnished Truth.

Yeah, it may cause some confusion with advancements, but I wonder how many people are actually taking advantange of this and actually coming back in. I think it wouldn't be a lot, so the effects would be minimal.

[BMCS Dennis Endicott (Ret)]

I'd still like to know who has actually approved a request based on an employment opportunity.

[SKC Eric S. Highland]

Thanks for clarifying that up. I meant no personal offense and glad to see the maturity of the members understanding that.

If someone is posting other people's stuff then I suppose that is all right with permission from the writer.

But it is a good point that is brought up. At some point an "honorary" member of the Mess might desire posting privs.. what is UT's stance on that? Has it even been discussed?

v/r