Advancement list release

[BMCS J Lucas]

Been hearing some grumbling about why it takes so long for advancenment lists to come out at the end of the month. It doesn't seem to be released in time for folks to buy their components and have them on hand in time for the beginning of the month. At least those that don't have an exchange near by.

I guess I don't know the inner workings of putting together an advancement list. Do they have to wait until the last possible minute? Is it cheap entertainment for the releasing officials to hold off knowing people are checking message traffic every 10 minutes, when they should be working? Are they waiting for the retirement paperwork to know how many they need to make? Is there an actual policy that states when the lists must come out?

If someone knows the inner workings, could they please post it here so I can give my folks an actual answer when asked, other than, "I don't know."

Thanks.

[DCCS Brett Wickett]

I'm thinking advancement does not sneak up on a person. At least it shouldn't. They should have already bought their sew ons. If they wait until the advancment list actually says their name, then that is their fault for not having what they need. But then again that is just my opinion and I am old.

Brett

Sorry, I don't have an answer as to why it takes to the end of the month some times and others it is closer to the middle.

[BMCS J Lucas]

I'm thinking advancement does not sneak up on a person. At least it shouldn't. They should have already bought their sew ons. If they wait until the advancment list actually says their name, then that is their fault for not having what they need.

I hear what you're saying, Senior. It's mostly those that are, say 5 back and don't know if they are going to make it on this list or the next. I think there is also some superstition involved. I know some folks who don't buy their stuff until they see their name. I think it's different in the reserves also where we don't have a cut-off list. There is no predictor on our lists.

[BMCS Jim Madsen]

Thats funny Brett. I was thinking almost word for word what you wrote.

As for the reservists not having a cutoff or predictor, I see that it could be hard to plan and that would definatly suck.

Now what is our motto......??? Oh yeah, Semper Paratus.

[BMCS J Lucas]

Yep, I hear you Senior.

But getting back to the original question, what is the process for the folks who put out the advancement lists?

[CMC Bruce Bradley]

Yep, I hear you Senior.
But getting back to the original question, what is the process for the folks who put out the advancement lists?

Jeff, that is one of the great unsolved mysteries of this century...but maybe if Brett Ayer drops by he'd offer some insight into this from his last job.

But I'm gonna totally agree with Brett here also, but then again I already know that I'm old too. I find it very hard to have any sympathy for someone who wants an organization to change, just so their life can be easier. Tell them to plan ahead and be proactive, if they aren't fully ready to assume the full role of the pay-grade to which advanced to on the day required, then maybe they aren't ready for the additional responsibility or pay either. Superstition, give me a break.

[BMCS J Lucas]

I find it very hard to have any sympathy for someone who wants an organization to change, just so their life can be easier.

Thanks, MC.

I don't think they are asking for the system to change. I think they are just a little frustrated that there doesn't seem to be much consistency with the advancement lists coming out. I think they just want to understand the system, to know how it works, not necessarily change it. Heck, when we sit them in front of a coxn board, we want them to know the systems behind what's driving the boat, not just how to drive the boat. So for them to want to know how the advancement list process works, we have created that monster. I think it's great that they have that curiosity, and for me to say, "Umm, I don't know." when they ask the question doesn't sit well in my stomach. So that is why I'm asking if anyone knows how the system works. I'm not slamming the system, just want to understand it.

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

The list can not be published till all the questions that were challenged have been reconciled. And since it's a CGWide list of all the ratings, one rating could hold up publication based on the number of challenged questions.

One has to remember, when the Institute was home to all the SMS (subject matter specialists) and graded all the exams, they had a time table, because the first advancments from the March SWE was July 1 ... and Sep was Jan 1. All with borrowed computer time from the FAA.

Since then, the SMS' moved to the TRACENs and PPC publishes the list ... and the time from test to first advancement grew.

You had one command doing the whole process, now you have multiple commands in the loop. Not to mention what happens at the palace.

[BMCS J Lucas]

The list can not be published till all the questions that were challenged have been reconciled. And since it's a CGWide list of all the ratings, one rating could hold up publication based on the number of challenged questions.

Sorry Joe, but I'm a bit confused? Questions that are challenged are reconciled every month before the list comes out? That isn't done right away after the test are sent in? I take it these must be the folks who's SWE is waived and are taking test to be put on the supplemental list?

Thanks.

[BMCS Terrill Malvesti]

WOW!! The Reserve Advancement Message is on the message board and whoever sent it assigned it a "Z" Flash designation.. Maybe someone's reading this board..

Z 241514Z JUL 08 ZUI ASN-A00206000029
FM COMCOGARD PERSCOM ARLINGTON VA//RPM//
TO ALCGRSV
BT
UNCLAS //N01430//
ALCGRSV 025/08
SUBJ: ENLISTED RESERVE ADVANCEMENT ANNOUCEMENT (ERAA) NO. 8-08

[BMCS Terrill Malvesti]

Yes.. Congrats!!

BMCS J J LUCAS 008097

[ETC Pat Kaschube]

I don't think the advancement list takes that long to get out. Now the cuts are a diiferent ballgame. That is the list that truly lets folks know what they need to buy and how soon.

[ETC Joe Jester ret]

Jeff,

If you contact your SMS, they should be able to explain the "challenged question" process better than I.

I am saying that you won't know your final "raw" score till all challenged questions are resolved. Once that final raw score is determined, they can determine your "modified T" score, and then, the number of SWE points you are awarded for your performance on the test.

They could reconcile every month or every week. Till all the challenges are completed, nothing else happens. The time lag for reconcilation is based on the time lag from exam date to receipt at the SMS' date.

[CMC Bruce Bradley]

Congrats Jeff.....but now I guess I know what "members" you were talking about earlier. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[BMCS J Lucas]

Congrats Jeff.....but now I guess I know what "members" you were talking about earlier. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I'll admit, I am one of those 'members', but not the only one.

Thanks.

[ETC Matthew Turner]

Joe,

I think there is a confusion of terminology in this thread.

I believe what you are referring to is the advancement eligibility list...the one that is published once per SWE cycle and rank orders all those who participated. That list would indeed be affected by challenged questions.

I think the OP is talking about the monthly Enlisted Personnel Advancement Announcements (EPAA) that state who will actually be advanced on the first day of the following month.

Matt

[BMCS J Lucas]

Joe,

I think there is a confusion of terminology in this thread.

I believe what you are referring to is the advancement eligibility list...the one that is published once per SWE cycle and rank orders all those who participated. That list would indeed be affected by challenged questions.

I think the OP is talking about the monthly Enlisted Personnel Advancement Announcements (EPAA) that state who will actually be advanced on the first day of the following month.

Matt


Thanks Matt. That is what I am asking about. The monthly EPAA/REPAA