Documenting loss of Organizational Clothing

[SKC Raymond Kurtz (Ret)]

Is there a written instruction on how to deduct from a member's pay the cost of an organizational clothing item if the member somehow loses it? Why I am asking is that I was asked about this this morning, I checked the Uniform Regs, looked at the issuing form AF-538 and called HQ. I could not find a reference on this. I just know that some of you have had to deal with this situation before. Any help you can provide is appreciated.

[BMCS Burt Ford]

Are you talking about organizational clothing purchase with 30 money? Like cold weather jackets?

[SKC Raymond Kurtz (Ret)]

Are you talking about organizational clothing purchase with 30 money? Like cold weather jackets?

Yes, what's happening is that personnel are being issued things like float coats etc and then claiming that they "lost" them, then looking to get a new one issued to them. My old boss said a Page 7 should be done to deduct the cost from their pay, but she could not cite a written reference to back up the deduction.

[BMCM Wray Gillette (Ret)]

I remember doing that many years ago... I'm sure over the years the process has changed, a few times... Raymond, I'm suprized a SKC doesn't know this... but, then again, I guess it is something not done very often ......

Wray... :cool:

[MKCM Brett Ayer]

I went through this once and it's not as easy as a Pg-7.

You have to do a survey and if the board says it was due to negligence, you have to do an investigation. If the investigation supports negligence, you can ask the member to pay for it, or force them, but at that point, it has to go to PSC. The amount you charge them is adjusted for wear and tear so you don’t get the full cost back.

I have been out of the loop for a while, so it may have changed.

Start with the property management manual.

Brett

[BMCS Burt Ford]

Well I have never heard of it but I agree with Brett on where to start. I would tell the individuals hat are loosing them they have to start wearing mustangs or drysuits at all times.

[SKC Raymond Kurtz (Ret)]

I went through this once and it's not as easy as a Pg-7.

You have to do a survey and if the board says it was due to negligence, you have to do an investigation. If the investigation supports negligence, you can ask the member to pay for it, or force them, but at that point, it has to go to PSC. The amount you charge them is adjusted for wear and tear so you don’t get the full cost back.

I have been out of the loop for a while, so it may have changed.

Start with the property management manual.

Brett

That makes sense, a Report of Survey will determine if there was negligence involved or if the member just gave it away to a friend or family member. If so and he or she lies.....well, that's another ball game.

I guess I didn't consider the Report of Survey because organizational clothing is not General Purpose Property. I don't feel to bad about not knowing the answer, I asked the property guru at HQ and my former boss that knows EVERYTHING about property, they didn't know the answer either.

Thanks for the help.

[BMC Russell Miller]

If my folks lose thier hard hat, I issue them a pink one to wear until I can order a new, happens only once, maybe we sould do they same with PPE:D

[CWO Chris Sparkman (BMC)]

This is in regards to the foul wx jackets and the money that was given out to everyone to go out and purchase their own jacket. What have you all seen done by commands as it pertains to accountability for the jackets that were purchased and issued to the crew?

Are they taking them back? Are they giving a timeline to purchase their jacket and then return the one they were issued? Are they letting the mbr transfer with them?

Just curious to see what others have seen and or are doing.

CS

[BMCS Burt Ford]

We take the coat back and the member gets to keep the fleece.

[ETC Pat Kaschube]

If my folks lose thier hard hat, I issue them a pink one to wear until I can order a new, happens only once, maybe we sould do they same with PPE:D


That is awesome!

[PACS Steve Carleton]

We take the coat back and the member gets to keep the fleece.

Some units are paying to have the fleece liners dry cleaned and re-iussue them. It happened at my last unit.

[BMCS Eric Guerette]

If my folks lose thier hard hat, I issue them a pink one to wear until I can order a new, happens only once, maybe we sould do they same with PPE:D

The same thing works when you catch someone not wearing their PPE. There are some ugly safety glasses available that you can have them wear all day, pink hardhats, giant earmuffs, they get the point real quick.

[BMCS Jeff Lucas]

If my folks lose thier hard hat, I issue them a pink one to wear until I can order a new, happens only once, maybe we sould do they same with PPE:D


And I'm sure that replacement hat is on back order for a while, eh?? ;)

I love it!!

[BMC Russell Miller]

And I'm sure that replacement hat is on back order for a while, eh?? ;)

I love it!!

It takes me at least 30 days, you should have seen the looks on thier faces when I handed it out, priceless. I have the pic somewhere I will send it to you

[ETC Joe Jester (Ret)]

Send it, hell, post it.

[BMC Russell Miller]

Ok how do you insert a picture here

[ETC Joe Jester (Ret)]

You can just click the attachment tool [paper clip] and attach it to a post.

[BMC Russell Miller]

I e-mail you the pics it says it is to large to down load

[ETC Joe Jester (Ret)]

Ok ... then I'll resize them for the web and make sure everyone can view them. :)